True wealth starts in the mind—rewiring your subconscious to embrace abundance. Join host Bronson Hill for a transformative conversation with Natalia Tsvirko, creator of the Effortlessly Abundant Life platform and the Feel on Cloud 9 app. From her journey as an Israeli military veteran to chasing opera stardom in New York, surviving a grueling hustle as a teacher and salesperson, and tripling her income post-COVID, Natalia shares how she broke free from a hard-work mindset by addressing root causes of limiting beliefs. Discover how to shift from scarcity to abundance, why 98% of your reality reflects subconscious filters, and how to cultivate “wealth-worthiness” to hold millions without self-sabotage. Natalia’s app offers 15-minute daily practices combining breathwork, energy work, and subconscious rewiring to unlock your potential.
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Natalia Tsvirko – Overcoming Limiting Beliefs
Bronson Hill: Welcome to the Mailbox Money Show. I’m your host, Bronson Hill. I’m super excited to be here today, and some of you guys have been following me for a while.
You know, I talk a lot about mindset, limiting beliefs, expanding what you feel you’re worthy of. One of the things I’ve come up with is this idea of wealth worthiness, right? A lot of people don’t feel like they’re worthy, or maybe they want to be worthy, or they feel it in their mind, but they don’t actually have that space to hold it in their heart.
And so, I’m super excited today, I’ve got Natalia here with me. I don’t know how to say your last name, it looks awesome, but very excited to have you here. And she actually has an app that she creates, she’s got a whole platform called The Effortlessly Abundant Life, which I was actually on our podcast recently, and she has an app called Feel On Cloud 9, and it’s all about subconscious rewiring, because a lot of times we’ll go into situations, and we want something, and we’ll self-sabotage, or we don’t actually show up in a way that we want to show up, and this is a way we actually can change that. So I’m super excited to have a conversation around this, around limiting beliefs, around changing some of the subconscious rewiring. So Natalia, welcome, how are you doing today?
It’s always good to see you.
Natalia Tsvirko: I’m so excited to be here, truly, truly, truly. So thank you so much for having me, and whoever is listening to it, just know you’re meant to listen to whatever needs to be heard here. So thank you so much for being with us.
Bronson Hill: That’s what I really appreciated about you when I was on your show. You have such a way of just really showing up, being fully present, and just really creating the space. I think a lot of people just…
It’s so easy when you do podcasts, you just go on a podcast, and how’d you get started? You just tell the same stories, whatever, but just being present and just really having a life that’s on fire. I’m like, yes, it’s another day, I love it.
So I’ve started doing this big, two-year thing in the morning, where it’s like a priming exercise, where you go in and you just really enter into the moments that you’re grateful for. You actually relive those moments, and you just are there, and so then you let those stack in your heart. So then you just like…
It takes like 15 minutes, but then I do, and I’m just like, yes, I just feel so happy for the day. It just starts to…
Natalia Tsvirko: So important.
Bronson Hill: That we’re like… Because a lot of times, we don’t realize, we’re just primed by all these things that happen in our life. And there’s that famous study that where the…
You heard about this, the hot and cold coffee, you heard about this, where people… They went into the park, and for those that don’t know, somebody said, hey, can you hold this for a minute? And it was either hot or cold coffee.
It was 100 different actors, went up to random people. And then about 20 minutes later, somebody came around and said, hey, would you… Here, I’ve got $20 for you if you’ll take a short survey.
90% of the people said yes. And it was basically… They read a character description.
That was three paragraphs. And then they said, well, how would you describe this person? The people that got cold coffee, they said 81% of them said the person was cold and distant.
And then 80%, just a 1% difference of the one that got hot coffee, said that the person was warm and inviting. So this is so funny how we’re so primed. So anyway, that’s a very big intro.
Very excited to have you. Why don’t you give people a little bit of your journey with these limiting beliefs? And I’d actually be curious, how did this become your thing?
This has become… When I think of this topic, I think of you. So how does this become your thing?
Natalia Tsvirko: Really, it’s a lifetime of development because I originally moved to the United States when I was 21 after my military service in Israel to become an opera singer. I thought that I want to be the greatest opera singer in the world. That was my mission.
And I did what I had to do and thinking that moving to New York City and learning from the best of the best and enrolling myself with the best schools and programs and living the dream is going to make me happy and make me feel fulfilled and doing this for eight years, doing major roles, teaching, kind of got me to a point where I felt like something is off. It’s not something that was truly in my deep, deep, deep purpose like I thought it would. And when I was teaching, I realized that I don’t want to do this for the rest of my life.
I’m doing my undergrad and I did my master’s in education and to be certified in New York City. It’s a whole thing, it’s almost like becoming a doctor.
A really intensive type of program and process. And I realized after four years being a music director in a school that I don’t want to do this anymore. So what the hell I’m going to do.
And a friend of mine that I met through college, he has her family owns electrical contracting business in New York City. She wanted to open her own woman-owned. And she saw me working on a week’s weekdays teaching, then opening my own music school afternoon, then taking private clients, teaching voice.
Then on weekends, I would take a sales job selling perfumes and skincare just to get by. I was literally on survival mode and I would work seven days every day, all day and barely get by. So that was kind of like a light moment where I was like, OK, I can’t do this anymore.
Right. And after a major breakup that I had, I was engaged in the whole thing. It was a whole other story.
But that kind of forced me completely to change my life and really awaken into my soul and kind of disrupt the patterns and what I thought I needed to do in order to be happy and successful in this world. So I took her opportunity to work with her in her business and we started this thing together. I was like, as a salesperson, the pharmaceutical world, you go out there and you hustle. You knock on doors and you can do call calls and email and you go to networking events and coffees and lunch and all this.
I would work around the clock to get some traffic, to get some prospect, to get some deals done. Again, that same kind of motive of working hard, working many hours, doing all the strategies you’re supposed to do and not really seeing the results that you want. And the kind of like reaping the benefits of all the work that you’ve been doing.
Right. So two years in, into that, COVID hit in 2020, if you remember.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, that’s a little thing called COVID.
Natalia Tsvirko: No big deal. And it forced me to stay at home and forced me to think. It forced me to calm down because I was really on a verge of collapsing physically, mentally.
I was chronically sick every two weeks. I was sick for four days, couldn’t function. So my body was signaling to me and also this frustration, like, what the hell is going on?
I’m putting all this hard work. I’m doing all the right thing. People telling me, yes, yes, yes, I will sign.
I will sign. And deals are not being closing. I’m getting micromanaged by my, my partner and my, and my boss.
And it’s just feeling this constant feeling of failure. Right.
Bronson Hill: Yeah.
Natalia Tsvirko: And I really was forced to look within. All right. I remember going to Tony Robbins event, doing the priming that opened myself to more of that, okay.
Meditation and to kind of more of the mindset, but I really had to go deeper. And what I found the best thing that helped me to change my life to where I more than tripled, more than doubled my income and now working harder was through rewiring my subconscious mind. Because as you know, 98% of our reality is a projection of what we believe and what we know to be true.
So nothing is outside of stuff.
Bronson Hill: So it’s a 98% of your mind. 98% of our perception is just simply our subconscious interpreting information.
Natalia Tsvirko: There’s nothing that lives outside of you. Nothing. Everything is going through your own filter of what do you believe?
So we can look at the same spot and you will notice completely different things than what I would notice. You would perceive the same person. I can look and we all like, let’s look at politics, right?
We can have one person and he’s going to say to you, he’s the worst. He’s the devil. Don’t even think about it.
He’s dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And the other person will say, look at him is going to say, well, he’s the greatest thing in the world. Thank God is here.
Everybody has a perception of the person through what they see themselves. And this is what we call the law of reflection. It’s an, and the universal law.
So you want to change your life. Don’t look at words. Don’t go to the screen of your movie.
Go right where you’re projecting the movie, which is, I think it’s so true.
Bronson Hill: I think so many people, we want to change things and it’s like, we’re, it’s all externals. I’m going to work harder and I can tolerate with your story. I’m sure a lot of our listeners can as well.
And my dad is a great guy and you maybe listen to this, but like, he really taught me about hard work, which is great. Like hard work is, it’s the kind of the first thing we all know. People that work super hard, like you, they make no money.
And they’re like a slave to money. Like they just literally are working all the time. And so the idea of changing the way that you think about everything and even your frame and the way that you perceive. In my learning, one of the things I discovered and interviewing over 2,500 millionaires is that a lot of them have a different frame when it comes to worthiness.
So for a lot of people, I love knowing your take on this is that a lot of people kind of take incremental jumps where they’ll kind of go from like, okay, I’ve got a job and make a hundred thousand dollars. And then I get a promotion. I’m 125 and I went to 150 and it kind of happens over and they kind of feel like, okay, now I’m really worthy of.
And then, but there’s some people that have like these huge jumps. They go from like, okay, I’m making, you know, 50 K to now I’m making $5 million, like some, some crazy amount and happens to be cut off. Like usually because they were able to change their way that they looked at and what they felt they were worthy of, right?
So it’s the kind of that worthiness factor, but how do people change that? How do you rewire your subconscious?
Natalia Tsvirko: Oh, such a big question. But let’s think about first of all, why we work so hard. It’s a batch of honor, right?
It’s this high work hard for this. Like I deserve this. What do you mean?
It didn’t just fall on my lap and that is the whole problem. And I think especially in the United States, moving from Europe, right? In Israel is also, we vary, they’re, they’re even harder to work in than here.
Like they’re in survival mode. Absolutely. But I feel that if you go to Europe right now, they don’t work as hard as us.
They have their siestas, they have two hours, you can’t even find somebody for six-week minimum vacation.
Bronson Hill: I think he’s like the start, you know…
Natalia Tsvirko: Like it’s normal. After you give birth, you have at least one year of paid leave. And then a year afterwards where you can choose to stay home, but obviously you’re not going to get paid for it. But at least you have the option here after three months.
And as far as I know, as max, you’re going to get as maybe four months. You have to come back. And if not, what’s wrong with you?
That is the whole notion of this is the batch of honor they’re wearing. Again, we proud of it because it gives us a sense of purpose. It gives us a sense of like, I did something like I did it.
Bronson Hill: I pulled out and see what I did. Yeah. I worked hard.
I worked with my own too. And some people show the story, even like parents or other like relatives. And you see it and it’s like, well, that’s great.
But like, yeah, there’s that, but why, why, why is that? Why, why do we have pride around? Why, why do we have pride around that?
Like, why is that even a thing that we should work hard?
Natalia Tsvirko: Because again, if we work hard and makes us legitimate to get whatever it is that we deserve it, we feel deserve of that.
Bronson Hill: Right.
Natalia Tsvirko: And it’s almost like if you’re getting something for free, there’s something wrong about it, what do you mean you got it for free? What’s the catch here?
Bronson Hill: Yeah.
Natalia Tsvirko: Let’s be honest. We came to this world and I’m talking about spirituality right now. So, but I know you, you believe in God and source, and you’re Christian. So that’s something you definitely believe in as well as we didn’t have to pay for our eyes, for perception, for our hands, for our breathing, for even our, who we are.
We just born into that. So if we didn’t have to pay for being here, right? And we just came here into this world and obviously we’ve been provided with food when we were in the womb for nine months, we’ve been provided with everything that we needed.
Right. And if you look into nature, everything is provided for. So there’s something that is a human made factor that separated us from source that separate from this idea that we have to pay for our existence. We have to prove our existence, we have to prove that we’re worthy of receiving anything that we want, even as basic as shelter, food, or anything like that.
So let’s just thinking about that concept. When you realize that you start to take a close, like a make my macro vision of that and understand them. Okay.
So it’s not natural. So therefore I can change it.
Right?
And then when you have this awareness, you ask yourself, okay, where I learned this pattern that I need to really work hard for anything that I want in my life. Well, I learned it from my parents.
All right.
Where were they learned it from their parents and the great group parents. And guess what? You also hold it in your DNA.
So how you work through your subconsciously wiring. It’s a 360 transformational. You can’t just do it through your mind.
You can’t just do it through your thinking. It’s first of all, you have to go to the root cause. Okay.
So yes, we can focus only on the positive, but there is an a root cause. It’s almost like you got hit by something. Right.
And you going to completely ignore that. Okay. And the wound is gaining bigger and bigger and deeper and deeper and is getting infected with more germs, but you’re ignoring that and you focusing on something else only on the good things in your body, it still needs to be addressed, right.
And still needs to be looked at cleaned, truly disinfected from the core in order to be healed and actually get better, right. So people don’t think it about that. That’s what I call the energetic surgeries that I do where we go into the root cause and a lot of times where I take my clients, it’s 300 lifetimes ago, or it’s in this lifetime, but maybe in the wound or anything like that.
They cared for multiple lives where they learned this behavior. That is not something we inherit. We didn’t born with.
It’s something we learn from somewhere and we adapt it to ourselves. So we need to release it. So by healing it in the root cause we writing the story of what happened, taking your power back, energetically, physically, mentally, emotionally.
Now you have a choice. Now you decide of who you are and who you really are.
Bronson Hill: Well, it’s really amazing. It’s a lot of people. If you just look at poor people and wealthy people, just there’s different beliefs, habits.
Everything is different and like it’s, and I grew up very middle class. I mean, my dad’s a teacher, mom’s a teacher. But if I didn’t go out and earn it, like it wasn’t going to happen, but it just, I’ve seen as I changed, as I continue to, like you said, go back to that source.
I even think there’s, so on a different, this aligns with what you’re saying, so with my kind of frame, my background, being a Christian, as you go back to the original kind of what you’re saying, the original stuff of like Adam and Eve in the garden, right? There’s Adam sins and the curses by the sweat of your brow. You will toil up to that point.
He had been cultivating with God in the garden. Like it would have been tending a garden together. And then from that point it became that there was a toil.
And so when I ever, I fall into like work feels really hard or something’s really difficult. I mean, I’m in toil here, right? That I can actually say, how do I go back and say, and I think that there’s some things that set us free from that to where we actually can be in a place where we’re back to cultivation.
We’re in a place where we’re actually creating with God. And we’re, so anyway, it is very spiritual, but I love it. You have a spiritual side of it as well.
So tell us, so to go back to the source. So what’s your, I know you have an app here. You’ve got, there’s a lot here you’re doing.
So, okay, somebody’s saying, yes, I need to go back to source. What does that look like? Or what’s the frame for that?
Natalia Tsvirko: For source, what do you mean?
Bronson Hill: What’s the work? What do I, what does somebody need to do once they identify that? Oh yeah.
Okay. I’ve been, I’ve been like, what do they need to do? Like, what’s.
Natalia Tsvirko: So what we call the, what I do is the first time session is first of all, we’ll go to the root cause and heal that right. Where do we learn from? Where is that?
What happened in that specific moment? And we through subconscious rewind, we heal it, we change the story, we’re take a power back and then we’ll start to implement more of these beliefs that improving ourselves, like, Hey, you know, I didn’t work hard. And I just found a quarter on the streets.
Like you just walked. Okay. Or I’m sure everybody had this moment where like something supernatural happened, this magical moment where you didn’t expect it, but you got this phone call or you got this opportunity or you again, you found for my arrest telling you they actually owe your money.
Like miracles always constantly happened, but we’re not noticing. And because of low focus, if we focusing on only on hard work, you’re going to get more of that, if you’re going to start focusing and giving gratitude and really taking that not for granted, these moments of, and these opportunities and physical things around you that you have, you’re going to start attract attract more of that. So it’s the root cause healing along with the embodiment that you need to cultivate for every single day, basically, because I’m still working on more capacity to receive all think, okay, you think, okay, whatever your income is, is what is okay.
If I’m going to make that number, I’m good. I’m set, but it’s not about the number. It’s really about, again, coming back to the spirituality, how close can we get to source?
How can I let more light and source to move through me? Cause money is all just a physical representation of light moving through you, how much you allow yourself to receive more, to be more, to have more, that is the whole thing. It’s not about the money.
We don’t care about the money. If we cannot use it to enjoy our life, to be more in freedom, to spend it with the people that we love. So it’s so much more than money.
Bronson Hill: It reminds me of the, like the scarcity mindset versus the abundant mindset. Robert Kiyosaki wrote the book, Rich Dad Poor Dad. He said this, he said that, poor people are, they look for, for jobs, but the wealthy look for networks. And so it’s the idea of like, do I really believe that there’s enough?
Cause if you’re just looking from a scarcity, I need a job. I need to have, I need, I need stuff, whatever. If you just walk out and you’re abundant and you’re like, yeah, look at all the, look at what I have is amazing.
Like it’s amazing when things just kind of show up and the right person shows up a business relationship. Cause there’s abundance, right? And you’re living from a place of abundance.
And so how much of it is like, I guess, how, how you’re framed as you said, like connecting to source, like you’re just showing up in a way that you’re open to receive all the good things that are out there, right? That’s kind of sounds like what you’re saying, right?
Natalia Tsvirko: Right. I feel the problem is for us is not the challenges. What people fear the most is to have more, to receive more love.
Like I’m not just worthy of receiving so much love. It’s overwhelming. And that’s what we’re working on is to have your vessel to be able to hold the millions of dollars, because it’s not just to attract a million dollars, it’s about to be able to hold them.
How many people we know that got the business to make millions and they completely lost everything and they manifested lawsuits, or if they want the lottery, they spend it all. It’s again, it’s not about having or receiving the manifestation. It’s about actually enjoying enjoying and having it to be so normal for you.
And in order to get there, you have to be in that place to be this millionaire mindset and identity, even before you see it in your bank account. It’s again, it’s this embodiment version of yourself to be able to see yourself as a millionaire. And that is the true work before you see the results, because when you get the millions, you’re like, Oh, it’s totally normal for me.
Your nervous system is not being activated and thinking there’s a danger, no danger. It’s just this natural next step.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. Or a billionaire, right? Or it’s whatever you feel you’re worthy to receive.
There’s an interesting documentary, it’s called broke. It’s a 30 for 30 ESPN documentary about athletes. And it shows that like 85% of the NFL and NBA players are bankrupt, literally within five years.
And it’s all the different trappings. It’s like, you know, the women and the business deals and the people from the hood that also feel entitled. And all these people have had no financial occasion because they didn’t become the person.
It’s the whole B do have, right? I think everybody wants to have the stuff, but they don’t want to become that person and then do the things of that person, you know, a wealthy person does, and then actually have the wealth. And so it’s like you said, most people’s plan is to win the lottery or have the rich uncle die or something.
And then they’ll be wealthy. But like, if you haven’t had that, the ability to hold that and I, you know, I call it character, but you don’t have the, in place, you don’t have that identity that shows that you’re this person. There’s no way you’re going to, you’re going to stay there.
And that’s where we have a hard time with it. So can somebody go then from like totally broke to like, like, I don’t know, a billionaire of like super quickly. Is that possible?
Natalia Tsvirko: And if it’s possible, everything is possible. Going back to NFL, it’s very important. What are you brought up?
Because I realized the reason why I went to opera singing and specifically stage is because I wanted the recognition. And when we place our identity and our worth in money, in others, people opinion in the applause and go, you know, the fame and all these things that whatever NFL or opera singing or whatever you think it’s going to give you, you’re in trouble.
Bronson Hill: Yeah.
Natalia Tsvirko: You have to place your worth and your self-worth only on yourself and have it to be completely detached from how much money you make. And if you’re married or not, if you have the business that is making a certain amount or not, be completely detached from it because it’s con-ditional. The minute you give yourself unconditional love, that it’s source love.
That’s how you, we strive as human beings to love ourself as much as source loves us, right? And love us unconditionally. And guess what?
When you actually come from that place, you emit this very powerful energy of like, I don’t need you. I don’t need you to love me, I don’t need you to approve me.
Don’t need you to sign this contract with me. You already embodied this in your energy field and people want that. And it comes from, again, a neutral and a healthy place.
So all this NFL players that we know and I see them and I meet them sometimes, you can see it’s coming from a deep wounded place of being wanting to get recognized, getting the, like why you need 500 women, why you need 500 millions where, you know, it’s like they do it because again, maybe they had a father figure that wasn’t there and when they were born and they were striving to get that attention or something like that.
So you have to, again, address the root cause because again, it’s, you don’t want to be, uh, your, uh, your drive to come from what we call a negative drive. We want it to come from a neutral, healthy drive that is going to long last you and you’re not going to have this crash that we see with a lot of these, um, famous because it, cause it was, it’s for the wrong reasons.
Bronson Hill: Like you said, it’s to fill what lacks there. For me, so it was interesting. I did come from a religious background.
Went through a divorce seven years ago. I’ve been a youth pastor previously, so I felt a lot of shame around that. Right.
Just like my own personal story. And then my sister introduced me to this book by Bernie Brown. That was the gifts of imperfection.
And the idea is kind of exactly what you’re saying is that like, uh, you know, as humans, we are wired, wired for struggle and we’re worthy of love and belonging just as we are. So there’s no prerequisite for that. And I think that’s something I didn’t, it’s, it’s very, it’s a kind of a subtle thing, but like, if, if you are, if you’re enough just for who you are, where you’re at, then you’re enough.
Like there’s nothing you have to prove. And that’s the whole thing that like, doesn’t, it doesn’t, at the end, it doesn’t really matter whether you get a billion dollars or you have just enough. Like it’s, it’s all just kind of bonus because you’re already enough, like it doesn’t matter.
And then, and then you’re really free. And then you’re like, okay, I want to do this. I want to create this stuff.
It’s kind of up to God and like how, you know, the life, how this will happen. If it turns out, but you know, regardless, like I’m going to choose to be happy and grateful today, and then you’re living out of abundance. Right.
Natalia Tsvirko: Here’s the thing. And maybe it’s controversial, but that’s what I believe. I believe source.
God has his hands off because he loves us so much. It gives us the ability to choose. We have ability to choose.
If we have the ability to choose, we have the ability to manifest and create the life that we want. End of story. That’s what we see now greet things.
And we ask ourselves how source allowed this to happen or how God made it happen. It’s not God, it’s us. And because we have free will, we have also ability to use it for destruction and also to creation.
Right. It’s all about knowing how powerful you are and take your power back and say, I’m enough because I’m enough because I was born. I’m extension of source.
Like you, not just this flash and veins and blood, you’re an electromagnetic being. The universe that planet earth you are in that was created, you are actually made from the same atoms. Same, you let me say absolutely same thing.
So everything is one. You are part of this. Now the question is because we have the ability to choose what we believe and what we believe to be true.
Now it’s the fun time to co-create with source and expend him through expanding yourself.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, I love that. It’s great. No, it’s, but it really, um, it’s amazing.
The more I, I talk about money, the more spiritual it is and the more like the more, the more, the more you go after money and then use some proverbs and like the, in the book of proverbs in the Bible, like where it’s like, you know, if you take a glance at rich, riches, they’re gone, you know, kind of this idea of like, if you just pursue it for the sake of pursuing it. And there’s a lot of people in the financial space that I call it the yachts and my Thai lifestyle, right? Like I want to live this life and having it and that’s all great, but there’s no purpose there.
So what’s the, like, yeah, what’s, where’s the role of like, like, where’s the sense of like, like purpose? I think, I think one core belief I have is just like, you know, we’re here for a reason, we have a limited amount of time and we do come from abundance. Like you’re sharing, but what am I here to do?
Like, what’s the, like, I do this thing and I feel like I come alive or I feel like I’m in this thing. And like, it sounded like, like you, you did opera singing because you felt like you needed to get those accolades and you were probably pretty good at it, but after a while, it was great at it to buy that shirt. Yeah, you were really good at your amazing insight, but you felt dead inside.
So for you now, I can tell when you talk about this, Natalia, you, you light up. You’re like, this is, this is why I’ve been put on this or is to talk about this. Right.
And so like, talk to us about like discovery of purpose. And like, how does that fit in with this too?
Natalia Tsvirko: I feel purpose is something that, as you said, it’s something you discover. It’s not something you can read about. It’s not something you can pre judge or pre decide and say, okay, this is my purpose and this is what I’m going to do like they want us to do when we’re 19 years old, planning to go to college.
Like, what do you want to do for the rest of your life? Life is unfolding and you’re going to feel like you have multiple lives and multiple versions of you come alive and die as you live. And that is the purpose to build yourself, to expend yourself, to listen to your intuition.
That is the most important thing that I feel that this is the most important skill that every entrepreneur should have not to go to business consultants, not to ask your tax guy or anybody else other than yourself. Because source gave you this beautiful guidance to walk you through life in the way that works for you. Cause one, the device can be great for somebody, but not for you.
That’s why I don’t want to take any more business courses. I don’t want to take anybody’s else’s advice because it worked for them, but not necessarily it’s going to work for me. That’s why I really so passionate about creating a life and a business.
Cause it’s an extension of who you are from a place that is authentic. And what is authentic? It’s actually a presentation of you.
So first of all, if you want to know your purpose, start listening to intuition, what is your intuition? It’s not your emotions. It’s not going to feel happy, happy.
And I’m so excited about that. And the next day you’re like, why the hell I sound up for this? Like I don’t want to be in this.
It’s a more neutral and it’s something that like a muscle, we need to train. And the more you trust it, the more it’s going to appear and the more louder it’s going to become. That is the beauty.
By listening to that and living authentically and not feel there is like, I’m going against myself. I’m going to feel in my core, my values. That’s where, you know, like, Oh, you’re, you’re not in the right path.
And that is the evolution of why we hear. And that’s why it makes it so exciting. Like we’re not going to know what our purpose is, when we’re going to be before God forbid we’re going to die.
We’re going to look back. It was like, Oh, now I get it. And that’s the whole purpose.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. So I just think of a lot of our listeners, um, this has been a great conversation by the way, but just a lot of our listeners, they’re hearing this, like you said, to live from a place of purpose, what makes you come alive. I think I’ve always been taught that too, that passions are just a gift, you know, from our creator.
And just how do we, like, there’s only so many things that we fill it up about. And it can change, but just really living true to that. I think it’s so important.
And when you see somebody who’s, who’s come alive, it’s like, it’s just so contagious, whatever it is like, Oh my gosh, want to be around that person. They’re amazing. So how do you, okay.
I’m thinking of a lot of, I’m thinking of a guy who’s 55 years old and he’s got three kids and he’s, you know, going through life and he’s got his business and things are just kind of sad and he’s got kind of enough. Um, what would you say to someone who’s like, okay, I feel like I’ve kind of created what I want to create with my life and whatever, but like, who’s kind of, you know, maybe on the second half of life, but just like, you know, okay, what, what next? Like what’s next for me in this, right?
Like I, I’ve done what I needed to do. I’ve done, I’ve had some fun with my job, my work, career, family, all that. But like, I just feel like I want something more.
I want to be able to create something more with my life.
Natalia Tsvirko: So first of all, I would ask yourself yourself or whoever you are referring to, what is this more feels like? Because it’s a feeling, right? It’s this, again, perception of like, Oh, I want to create a different business.
Oh, I want to travel. I want this. Oh, I want that.
Right. It’s all comes down to a feeling that we think this thing, the represent that is going to give us, right? Most likely it’s probably just more creativity and more passion.
And again, I’m not about burning bridges, moving from where you live in a city and live somewhere in, you know, in the woods and completely like live by yourself. Like that is not how you escape the matrix. You escape the matrix, but first of all, escape, not escaping, but breaking the patterns and how you break the parents.
Again, we’re not doing from outside in, we’re doing from the inside out. So when we really get clear of what the feeling that we want to feel now, let’s see how we can cultivate that feeling within our existing life. Where can I find more creativity in my life?
How can I, maybe I can go and just, just for fun, again, not for the sake of making money or somebody telling me, Oh my God, you did such a great job. Like, can I go for a painting workshop and just paint something just out of my own enjoyment, follow what’s exciting and feels exciting for you at the moment and see how is going to give you another breadcrumb and another clue for what it is going to give you.
Bronson Hill: I always feel like being curious. I mean, I’m curious and in new situations, I did an improv class recently and I haven’t done, I did acting in high school just for a play or two. Is that what I did in probs?
It’s been years and you’re probably 25 years, but I did it and it felt really uncomfortable. But like there’s something about like just doing things that are outside my comfort zone, like trying to travel. That’s why I love travel.
That’s why I’m learning when we’re going to my Spanish again. I’m on day 90 of, you know, Duolingo or just just trying to like the like the learning of the new things is like you just never know like what’s it’s going to spark, what it’s going to open up for you. So I think having that being curious about yourself is awesome.
Natalia, you are super inspirational. I’m super excited to get in your stuff. You have an app out that people can, you know, they can reach out to you.
They can kind of follow your effort. Lee abundance, abundant, effortless, effortlessly. Actually, I say it, it’s effortless once I say it, abundant life.
They can follow you. So can you kind of give people a heads up of how they can reach out and how people can reach out and connect with you?
Natalia Tsvirko: Absolutely. Thank you so, so much for your incredible, incredible. Just like you build this space.
So thank you for doing this. So for people who want to start digging into their subconscious and they just want to try it out for themselves, feel on cloud night, which is my app that is available for both Android and Apple. Go ahead.
It’s only $22 a month, a month, and you get 73 trial where you can truly start having this 15 minutes a day where you can start feeling the difference because it’s all we can talk about all day long. It’s about again, feeling it. And it’s a beautiful combination between breath work, subconscious rewiring and energy work all in one sitting.
So you don’t need to do multiple other things to get the results. I did all the work for you and combined it through this app. And if you’re interested to go dive deeper, schedule a one-on-one session with me where we can go into the root cause of what keeps you stuck in the same loop and you can get out of it.
If you want more money, if you want more abundance, more opportunities and get yourself out of your own matrix by hacking your subconscious mind, you’re going to find me at flcabundalife on my Instagram or flcabundalife at gmail.com. And I’ll be more than happy to schedule a session with you.
Bronson Hill: Natalia, thank you so much. You’re wonderful. I just downloaded your app a few minutes ago before we started.
I’m excited to get in and enjoy it.
Natalia Tsvirko: So excited.
Bronson Hill: Welcome.
Natalia Tsvirko: Welcome to the cult.
Bronson Hill: Yes, hopefully not. But to know all this stuff is awesome. The breath work, the learning, the growth, the just, you know, being open to reinvent yourself is huge.
So thank you for being here. We’ll look forward to connecting soon. I really enjoyed being on your show and love what you’re creating.
So grateful for you, Natalia. Thank you so much.
Natalia Tsvirko: Thank you. Have an amazing day.
Bronson Hill: All right. Well, I hope you are fired up because I’m fired up. I love talking about mindset because again, I’ve realized that for me to get to the next level, I’ve got to think differently and I’ve got to be differently, right?
If I show up and I believe I’m worthy of it, if I show up, if I’ve actually worked on those things, I’ve actually just walked into situations where I’ve made partnerships where it’s generated a million dollars in revenue or something, right? It’s been unbelievable. And so I really believe in this.
And so, you know, part of, you know, my story, you know, 20 plus, you know, X to my net worth and multiple seven figures within four years, that was that happened because I just continue to do the work. So encouraging. And it’s not just it’s this mindset work, but it’s also therapy.
And it’s also being able to look at the hard things and the journaling and the friends and being open to when you go through challenges, being able to reinvent yourself. So hopefully you got something out of this really valuable, I’d love to hear from you. Love for you to share this episode.
And if you have anybody you want me to interview, I’d love to be able to interview them. I’d love to be able to know who your suggestion is, if who I should get, or if you have any introductions, always looking for that. But I really appreciate you taking the time to educate yourself because this is really, this is the work.
This is how we get better, right? So we want to talk about mailbox money. So we want to talk about wealth.
We want to talk about different forms of financial freedom. We also want to talk about just the freedom to really be able to enjoy what you have, to be content where you’re at, to be somebody who’s living out of abundance. Because if you have very little, but you’re free, and again, I give an example.
If somebody has $5 million, it makes $5 million a year, and they’ll only be happy when they make $10 million, and there’s no problems with their kids. Well, they’re never going to be happy versus a guy who just jumps out of bed and is just super on fire to be alive, right? And so you talk to somebody who’s a cancer survivor, talk to somebody who’s been through a lot, and all of a sudden they sometimes just have this energy.
It’s like, yeah, I just want some of that. So hopefully you’re feeling that energy. Hopefully you found something, those things that really light you on fire, and it’s more than just dollars and cents in bank accounts.
It’s actually purpose, it’smission. Living from a place of, as Natalia says, just source or God, or just that, what am I here to do and really living from that place?
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