Join Bronson Hill on the Mailbox Money Show as Paul Moore reveals why so many investors lose money—and how to avoid the common pitfalls. Paul shares his candid story of building millions after selling his staffing company, only to lose it all by 2008 through speculation rather than true investing. He explains the key lessons that shaped Wellings Capital’s disciplined approach: focusing on conservative structured deals (preferred equity and JV hybrid), strong operators, and durable assets in multifamily, self-storage, mobile home parks, and more.
The conversation covers the risks of over-leverage and lofty projections, the power of base-hit returns, visionary-integrator dynamics, and why capital preservation beats chasing high IRRs.
Paul Moore is the founder of Wellings Capital and author of The Perfect Investment and Storing Up Profits. He has interviewed hundreds of investors to uncover what creates lasting success in real estate.
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Full Transcript:
Bronson Hill: All right, welcome to the Mailbox Money Show. I’m your host, Bronson Hill.
It’s such a joy to do this, and because we get to talk with amazing guests like my good friend Paul Moore from Wellings Capital, he wrote one of the first books I ever read. Actually probably the first book I ever read, about multi-family investing, called The Perfect Investment. And ironically, then he shifted to do other things like self-storage, and another book called Storing Up Profits.
And so he’s a good friend. He’s been an awesome, just great guy, a believer, just a guy who really believes in wanting to help people, and really give back. We both have a common interest in fighting human trafficking in the world, and just the things that need to change, and really being that change in the world.
So just really wanted to welcome Paul. How are you doing today, brother? Really good to have you.
Paul Moore: I’m doing great. Good to see you again, Bronson.
Bronson Hill: Awesome, man. I was saying it’s been a while, man. For a while we were seeing each other at conferences every few month. Now I feel like it’s been a couple years, and we’re just kind of busy doing our stuff. But you’ve done really well at Wellings.
You guys have, you know, you look at, I think you said over a thousand deals last year, you did six. And so I’d love to just, you know, kind of have you give just an intro to who you are, people don’t know you, and kind of how you got to be where you’re at.
Paul Moore: Yeah. So I had a staffing firm in the 90s, sold it in 1997, and I had a couple million dollars, and I grew that to a negative two and a half million dollars by 2008.
Bronson Hill: Wrong way.
Paul Moore: Yeah. And that was going into 2008 before things got bad. In all seriousness, actually had a fun story about how I was actually debt free a year and a half later by just a real cool faith story.
But at any rate, yeah, I thought I was an investor and I wasn’t. I didn’t, I had an MBA, Bronson, but I didn’t know the difference between investing and speculating. I was in my mid-30s, I was high energy type A. And I thought that I should get the same fun and excitement out of investing that I did out of being an entrepreneur.
That was a huge, huge mistake. And I made some money doing that, of course, but I lost a lot of money. I learned a lot of lessons that my company now has put into practice to do the opposite of that.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. Well, it’s amazing too, you know, if this belief that life doesn’t happen to us, it happens for us, right? So there’s these things that happen that we can look at them and call them failures.
But I think that in our lives, like there’s so many things that have not gone well in my life. And yet there’s a blessing and a learning and something that comes from that. It can be, if that deals, we made a ton of money on, we’ve absolutely killed it, we have a deal we lost on.
And it’s hard to talk about the pain of the ones, but it’s also, that’s how we learn and that’s how we grow. And so I think I really admire that, basically how you’re walking through that because most people don’t like talking about challenges but those are the things that actually give us our perspective going forward. So, so when you kind of had a restart or you rebuilt, like how did that change your perspective?
I guess what changed in that, in that period for you?
Paul Moore: Well, it took me a while to really realize what I had, to recognize what I had done wrong. But I learned a lot through interviewing 238 successful people who had made big mistakes like me and worse in some cases. On a show I had called How to Lose Money.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. I remember that show you and Josh Thomas
Paul Moore: Good memory. And, , so that w that was good.
But one of the best things I ever did, if not the best thing in business was to, are you familiar with the book Traction by Gino Wickman?
Bronson Hill: It’s great. We do a lot of EOS, a lot of that your operating system.
Paul Moore: Yeah. Well, before I even really, I, Gino and I were friends. I used to do his payroll back in the nineties before with the staffing firm we had.
But I didn’t really recognize the lessons of traction. It was sort of a newer book, but I hired a guy who was a senior at Liberty University and he came on at $13 an hour. And it just turned out he is one of the most brilliant tactical operator, business building type people I’ve ever met.
I realized, one of my big problems over the years was I was a visionary, I am a visionary and I was trying to run businesses. And every time of the three businesses I’ve had that have succeeded that I’ve always had a great integrator. You know, somebody who came alongside and did the heavy lifting of the administration and the management and the hiring and staffing. And that was very, very fortunate blessing for me that I found Ben.
Ben’s been with me 11 years now. His, he got a raise from $13 an hour. He now owns 50% of the company and I couldn’t, I couldn’t be happy.
Bronson Hill: Well, that’s huge. That that’s a really good point. Let’s talk about it for a minute.
So, anybody, we have a lot of business owners that are on the show or that have a vision or want to create a business, and some people don’t realize that there’s people that are visionaries and these are typically entrepreneurs. I think you and I are visionaries where we have ideas and things we want to do. I’ve got more ideas that, you know, I’ve got 10 businesses. I got to start tomorrow.
So you have so many things I want to do. And then the challenge for that, and there’s a great book called Rocket Fuel that talks about this where it talks about the visionary integrator relationship and for every Steve Jobs you have, there is an integrator that’s involved. There’s somebody who’s helping run the company.
And I think it’s kind of getting a balance between that, cause it’s like, the integrator can feel under appreciated. But they’re so necessary because they’re actually the ones running the show, but then the visionary needs to continue to create this vision that is this brighter future that kind of be the face of the company or where you’re going.
And so I think those roles are so interesting, but how did you identify Ben as your integrator? How did that just kind of, did you fall into that? And he said $13 an hour.
Paul Moore: I totally fell into it. Yeah. What happened, what he did well.
And if you’re a young person listening to this, I’ll tell you this. I met him at my daughter and he were at a Christian camp together for college student age kids. And my daughter introduced him to me and said, Hey, he wants to be a realtor.
And I was like, Oh, Hey, I’m in real estate. Here’s my card. If you ever want to get together. And of course, Bronson, you’re well aware of what always happens. You’ll never hear from him again. I told you, you don’t hear from people.
He did. He came over to my house and he spent four hours picking my brain. And then he stayed in touch for the next like nine months.
And so when I wanted to hire an assistant, administrative assistant, he was the first guy I thought of. He was still at, like I said, at Liberty. Well, after three years with me from 2015 to 18, I realized he was doing like 10 times more work than my two business partners combined.
And, there was reason for that. One reason was they both had full time jobs and this was my full time thing. And he was doing like, he was only working 20, 30 hours a week, but he’s accomplishing so much.
You know, what’s funny. I had an EOS integrator come in three years after I promoted him to owner. I bought the other two guys out and gave him 50% over a couple of years.
Three years later, I had an EOS in, I shouldn’t say integrator, but like an implementer that came in and he explained, he told me after two days with our team that Ben was equal at 28 years old. He was equal to the best COO he had ever worked with. And it was like, I mean, what an incredible blessing to find somebody like that, you know?
Bronson Hill: Yeah. You know, I’d say it amazing to you. I would love to talk about that because I have a couple people who work with me.
We have people, I have a couple in the Philippines that work with me. And I found, I’ve had people locally, I have people in North America, and it’s just, you don’t really know how it’s going to be to work with someone until you work with them. So it’s great to like, have some sort of armor, give people a shot.
And then you realize some people just find a way to shine and they just keep saying, well, what else you got? They just kind of like, they just are able to come in and be like, I’m here to help. How can we do this?
And they just, they’re more intuitive kind of than other people, right? They’re very intuitive. And so you see that and it’s really, it’s fun.
I’m really glad that that’s worked out well. And that’s really cool of you to make them a 50% partner, but I’m sure you look at it and you’re, you know, obviously not 25 anymore and you’re thinking like, Hey, here’s a way I can really grow this company. So, tell me a little bit about the business that you’re doing and kind of what you’ve been working on. And over the years, you’ve done multifamily, you’ve done a lot of storage, you’ve done mobile homes and you’re kind of even doing other things now.
So talk to us about what you’re seeing, what kind of deals you’re seeing and what you like about it right now, what you’re seeing.
Paul Moore: Yeah. You know, after like four years of trying to find multifamily deals and being continually outbid sometimes by 20 or 30%, we started saying, you know what, we’re not going to take on risky floating rate debt. We’re not going to assume that trees grow to the sky as Howard Mark says.
We are not going to assume that rents will go up in Tucson, 9% a year, the next five years, like they did the last five. We’re not going to assume that we can reduce expenses while we’re increasing rents. And we realize there’s like, there’s no future here for us. So we in 2018 stepped back and said, Hey, what if we went out and found to our, the best of our ability, the best of the best operators and we got behind them.
And so we decided we were not going to be an operator. We thought, well, diversification is important because, diversifying across operators, geographies, strategies, you know. Even places in the capital stack that gives us safety and we can’t be an expert in five or six different, asset types and 25 different markets, but we can find the experts. And so what we did is we decided to put together funds and in 20 January, 2019, we launched our first growth fund and our first income fund. And now we’re on fund eight and we have another seven or eight individual investments we’ve done on the side as sidecars. So we look to invest in mobile home parks, multifamily, self storage.
We’ve done one RV park investment. And light industrial and commercial strip centers, those are the six asset types we focus on, Bronson.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, that’s great. No, I think that’s, it’s great. Now you guys have obviously, you said you’ve got really dialed in what you’re doing and you mentioned you’re doing a lot of multifamily now, but it’s a different way.
Can you talk a little bit about what that is right now on kind of what that looks like?
Paul Moore: Yeah. We realized as we became a larger money source that we could ask for better terms. In fact, you know, like an example, we recently invested in a 50 or so million dollar multifamily deal.
There was about 30 million in debt and about 20 million in equity. And we brought, I think 14 or 15 million of the 20 million in equity. And so we were able to say, Hey, we want your 5 million in equity, Mr. Operator. We want that in first risk or first loss position, the GP money, and then the LP money. Their friends and family that he raised that five or 6 million that he brought that’s as like a shield in front of us, and if there was a five or $6 million loss, it would all go to them before it would touch our principal.
And so that’s called, preferred equity, or it could be called JV equity or JV hybrid equity is what we call it. And there’s different forms of that. One type of pref equity has a fixed payment and then accruing, compounding upside, and that’s again, we call that preferred equity in our world.
And then there’s what we call JV hybrid equity. And it’s got a lot of the rights and approval rights and budget approvals and for sale rights and management takeover rights. All that stuff that preferred equity has, but it has no fixed payment. So it’s unlike debt, in other words, it’s just, it’s pari passu.
It comes at the same level as equity and it has the same upside as equity. So in other words, if that in the example I gave, if the common equity and GP equity guys from their investments made a 20% return, we’d get 20. If they made three, we’d get three.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, that’s great. Well, I think it’s a way to do it when you’re able to come in and get the right terms, the right deal. Everything is for sale at the right price.
And there’s a lot of groups that are saying, Hey, like I really need, we need capital, we need help. And so if you’re able to kind of come in and be that rescue or come in a way that’s you’re sitting above everybody else, that’s definitely attractive.
That’s great. So what do you see now from investors? You know, I’ve noticed it’s interesting from our investors.
I think investors are looking for cashflow. If you can find things in cashflow, it’s hard to find cashflow these days, especially in real estate. We’ve looked at mobile home parks, the senior care, we’re doing some debt funds.
We’re also doing some oil and gas, but are you guys finding cashflow in the things that you’re doing? Or is it something that investors are like, well, we kind of see the long-term.
We’ll kind of, wait and see how it turns out here.
Paul Moore: Yeah. We have an income fund, an income fund that’s focused on cashflow. And we have a growth fund that doesn’t necessarily have any cashflow, but it has the potential for more growth. I’d say at least two thirds of our investors like yours, are really looking for that income.
And I think there’s a bigger thing at play here. I think most of your listeners know this. It’s not just that you get income.
It’s that you’re getting a safer deal. You’re getting a deal that’s already matured and already performing. It’s not speculative.
It is not hoping that things will work. It’s already working. And I think since, 2022, you know, March of 22, we had, what was it? Six, 11 interest rate hikes in 16 months.
And that wasn’t the problem, but that exposed the problem. Warren Buffett said, sure, the tide’s been rising for in our case, a decade. But someday that title go out and we’ll see who’s swimming naked. And that’s what happened. The interest rate rises combined with the fact that there was overbuilding. Rent stagnated, expenses skyrocketed, all those things caused this huge problem to be exposed. And everybody suffered most everybody in multifamily, et cetera, has been suffering from that for the last three or four years.
So preferred equity and JV equity, can help protect us from some of the worst of those problems. And it gives the sponsor some, they don’t have to go out and find another 50 investors at a hundred thousand each. They can just get one $5 million check, for example, from us.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, it’s amazing. We found two, like you said, I know you do this where you start to go, you know, really, you get better terms when you come in with a larger check and so you also can get better terms to your investors. So it’s, I’ve had that question, why do you do these?
You know, it’s like, well, we try to give, we’re working with a certain partner, we want to make sure it’s the same or better. Typically hopefully better than what, if they went direct. And so we found some relationships that people really like working with and then you get these long-term relationships with, which is really great. What’s something that you’re watching and you’re like kind of watching from a monetary policy or the Fed or just the kind of what’s going on in the, like a lot of people are very afraid right now, like what’s happening?
Like a precious metals, it’s gone, you know, kind of gone up quite a bit. There’s a lot of fear in the market. Like what do you think is coming the next, one to two years, it both in monetary policy as well as just, real estate.
And where are we headed from here? Do you think Paul?
Paul Moore: Well, I’m going to give you a terrible answer. I’ve been studying Buffett and Munger a lot and they claim that in their 50, 60 years of working together, they did not have a single conversation about the economy when making an investment or a divestment. And so they said, look, we’re looking for intrinsic value.
They said, you know, Buffett said, prices what you pay value is what you get. So we’re looking for great value run by expert management teams. And right now we’re investing in a deal.
That’s a multi-generational company that they’re in there. They’ve done over $3 billion of deals, a second generation, 34 years in the multifamily business. So we’re looking for great again, intrinsic value, great operating partners, and assets that are durable.
In other words, assets that have a long runway, like, you can see that multifamily is an asset that, I mean, I believe it’ll be around in a hundred years. So, that’s what Buffett was looking for as opposed to trying to predict the economy. I’m not trying to be a smart Alec, but I really just don’t study it that close.
If we look for those three things that could, that hopefully would do well in any market, in any economy, no matter what the fed does, no matter what gold does. Then, you know, and then if we put great structure around it, like preferred equity or JV equity, then we’re hopefully going to be able to do well. Or at least moderately well, not lose money in most any economy.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. No, I think it’s so true. I think, that’s one thing I really respect about Buffett and anybody who’s new to investing is if you read, I just finished the book again called The Snowball, which is basically about his life and it’s a pretty long book, but it’s great.
If the second time I read it and listen to it, it’s just such a good, like he’s so quotable, he’s so good. He gets in, what’s a durable, what’s a wonderful business at a fair price. And you just, you buy something and you know, done right.
Real estate is a great business and it’s, you know, if you don’t ever pay, it’s a fair price. And so I think it’s, what is lasting? What’s enduring? And there’s so many trends, right?
There’s trends of crypto and then this business thing and this over here. Well, a lot of this stuff, it could end up being a fad. Even people I know that are in Bitcoin, they’re like, it’s either worth a million dollars or it’s worth zero, right?
Well, that’s not really sound to like, put all your money in and just kind of bank unless you really believe that. So I think having, those principles. So you mentioned Howard Marks, I think before we started calling this his newsletters and a Buffett watches him too, you’ve got Buffett. What are a couple of like books that you recommend or podcasts or just resources that you would recommend for people that are newer to this of like, I want to learn kind of from a fundamental approach. Like what investing, like how to actually get going with this?
Paul Moore: Yeah, I would really recommend, The Investors Podcast, TIP. There’s a couple that are really good. And even if you’re in real estate and they’re talking about stocks, the principles are really good.
I would recommend Howard Marks book, mastering the market cycle.
Bronson Hill: You recommend that to me. And I read that it was really good. Yeah, powerful.
Paul Moore: Yeah. It’s so, so helpful. So it’s so well done.
Marks has got another book he wrote a few years before that called The Most Important Thing. And he goes over like 17 things that he has said over the years were the most important thing.
Bronson Hill: 17 most important things fall.
Paul Moore: Yeah, right. And, man, it’s so convincing. It’s like, oh yeah, this is, yeah, that’s it.
That’s the most important one. And then the next chapter is even better, you know? So those are a couple of things I would also recommend Snowball. I didn’t really want to listen to, was it 35 hour book?
Bronson Hill: 35 hours, but like, it’s so, I don’t know. It’s so much in there. It’s so good.
But I, yeah, I did it for a second. I was, I got, I got to my goal of a hundred books last year. I had this first time I wrote a hundred books.
And so I got that. And then like, that was like the bonus ones. I was like, okay, I’m going to do a little longer one.
Cause the challenge, you can’t do 30 hour audio books or like thousand page books or interview, and do it like a hundred. So I was like, I made a competitive goal last year.
Paul Moore: So it’s kind of, and you’re like George W. Bush. That’s incredible.
He read a hundred books a year, or at least one year, I think while he was in the white house, how do you do that?
Bronson Hill: Ah, man. I think you just, that’s pretty incredible. I think you just have to schedule time.
And I mean, what I was, this is what I do. I do it when I am driving, and I listen to books. I don’t want to feel like I have to sit and read about when I listen.
And I, and I also do it when I work out, I do it when I’m cleaning the house. I do when I’m going for a walk and I can listen. And, in the beginning you listen at one time speed, right?
So it’s just, everything’s normally going to be talking after a while. Then you’re kind of like, I can go like 1.25. Well, now I’m up to like between two and three speed. So like some books, it’s like a three speed.
Some of it. So it’s like, it’s usually around two to like 2.3, but like, so, you know, an eight hour book, I can finish in, three or four hours. So it’s like, that’s a big advantage.
And I actually retain pretty well from an audio perspective. So, but it depends on the book. If it’s very technical, it’s hard to do those kinds of books and listen to them at that pace.
So I don’t know. Do you have any tips on how you absorb information?
Paul Moore: Oh, no, I definitely like it on audio as well. I do the same thing. What I like to do, just a little extra thing that I do is I try to speed it up to where I can’t really grasp it.
And then I keep it there for a little bit. Then I rewind and then I go back to a speed I can. And then like, if I go to two, I’m a little slower than you, but if I go to two and can’t quite get it, then 1.75 sounds really like.
Bronson Hill: I think that’s a secret because I do the same thing. I go a little faster where it’s like, it’s, it honestly, it’s a little stressful when you first turn. But then you just like dial it down a little bit. And then it’s like, Oh, I can do this.
So it’s funny how, but I like those competitive learning goals and networking goals and just like, how can you get, cause there’s a quote that says you would be the same person five years from now. Except for the books you read and the people that you meet and think about that.
I mean, really that’s two things that’s education, right? And that’s networking. So you’re an author, I’m an author. You’re a bestselling author. I think it’s so important for investors, as Warren Buffett would say, to invest in themselves or invest in you’re learning.
So that’s where he even had so much time educating people. Well, I love that, man. Well, I love what you’re doing.
I love what you’re creating. What else, what else should we talk about that would be valuable? What else are you seeing right now?
When you talk with investors, what’s something that you’re like, Oh, Hey, here’s something to pay attention to right now.
Paul Moore: Yeah. I just did an analysis for an email I’m writing to our investors. We have a 15%.
I think it’s a really good risk adjusted return deal right now. It doesn’t have a lot of cashflow and that’s definitely given some investors pause, but the 15% seems boring. And so I actually am confronting our investor base and saying, Hey, you guys remember when you guys were, when we were all doubling our money every two or three years.
I mean, you’d get a five year projected double your money, but it would actually double in two and that was really great. But it was like musical chairs. People were passing on this asset to the next person, hoping that they could keep selling it for more and they wouldn’t be the last one standing.
And of course in 2022 and three and four and five, we found out that didn’t work so well. You know, I mean, back in those times, the higher risk you took, the higher leverage, the more you return. Well, the problem is, so many people I know, I talked to a guy who had 30 deals out and almost every one is either hype capital calls, pause distributions, or even foreclosures. And I heard the story of a dentist who had retired years ago on passive income, and now he has to go back to work at 78 years old.
It’s like, so you got that going on. And so we learned what went wrong, right? But the problem is I think people still had that 20% IRR goal imprinted on their brain.
Yeah, but we looked at 1137 deals last year. And if we’re showing you a 15% risk adjusted return, and we’re saying that’s a strong deal. We’re saying that’s market.
I mean, that doesn’t mean we’re right because we’re saying it, but at least in our world, that’s a really good deal right now, but investors are yawning. Investors are saying they want 20%. And you know what, I did an analysis.
If you have 20% projected IRR on five deals, and then you have another guy who puts in a hundred thousand and five deals projecting 15% IRR. The first guy, four of the five go perfect, get the 20% IRR, but one goes completely South. They lose everything, their principal and their potential returns.
That one, then the other guy goes five deals at 15% return and they all hit 15%. The 15% one will actually significantly outperform the one, the four out of five at 20%. And that’s again, Buffett’s thing, you know, right? Don’t lose money.
Losing money is devastating to a poor.
Bronson Hill: I got some, yeah, I really appreciate that. I wish there was a study that would show just from these private deals of the ones that are projecting 20. What actually happens with it is most of them, a lot of them, not all, but most of them, a lot of them that are higher loftier projections.
And you know, we have some deals and we’ll do a new development project as 25% or 20%, whatever, but there are a lot. When you look at deals, it doesn’t really matter what the papers say. And the more sophisticated investors really get that, but great operators.
And you, I know a common one we were talking about before. It’s like, they will project far lower and outperform. And it’s such a, as an opera, it’s like I’d much rather be saying 15% to investors and perform at a 17.
Then to say 20 and come down to a 17, right? One is you, you exceeded the other year, you didn’t, but a lot of times the amount of risk that you’re taking on. And now we’re seeing it.
I mean, we’re doing debt funds where it’s like people are getting paid, 13, 14, 15% per year for first position notes at 50% loan to value. That’s like what people are getting paid in equity a few years ago.
So there’s things that are out there that like, so I realized like I would rather even get paid less, but know that it’s solid rather than go to something that’s like you’re taking on way more risk to get an extra three, four, 5% that may not happen.
Paul Moore: Yeah, absolutely. And that’s what I’m trying to tell investors right now to rethink this. There’s a reason that before we even did our webinar on that deal, I just told you about our savviest investor.
I mean, documented savviest largest investor. This guy was a high up at a hedge fund that everybody has heard of. And he went out and started his own hedge fund and he’s got like 11, 12, 13 billion in it now, and he invested before the webinar. He put a quarter million and he’s like, this is market right now.
This is a good deal. Yeah. But you got a lot of people who don’t have the skill and knowledge and team and everything he has the tools to evaluate it, who are saying it’s not enough and I don’t know, maybe they’re right, but doesn’t seem like it.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, that’s true. No, it really is. Well, I think it’s so, important to, I think that the goal is really base hits really.
Can you have a lot of base hits and just keep going? And then we’ve done some where you take big shots, but you got to understand that, that’s for a certain level of net worth to do that. And a lot of those may not work out, but you’re almost planning that, Hey, a lot of these work out, but I think in general, things are going after base sets, things that are solid.
It’s just, you’re going to compound that those funds really well, you know, much better than the stock market without the volatility. And that’s of course what we all want. So, Paul, I really appreciate you, man.
Every time I talk to you, I learned something. I always get a lot of value. I appreciate your perspective and also your heart.
Just really wanting to help people and really make a difference in the world and help people to do it too. I mean, we’re doing this for legacy, for our families and for people. That’s, but we’re really doing it to help people. I really do want to help people so they can achieve that.
And it reminds me of Zig Ziglar. You can have everything in life you want if you just help enough other people get what they want. So come on, my big takeaways you shared is just, going for base sets, not trying to necessarily hit out of the park every single time. But really, finding groups and teams and people, things that you find you have a competitive advantage in, as you guys are finding deals like that and putting yourself in a better position in the stack.
I think it’s really great. So how can people hear about your deals and reach out and find out what you’re doing?
Paul Moore: Yeah. They can come to our website, Wellings Capital—W-E-L-L-I-N-G-S, wellingscapital.com. And if they want a free special report on, you know, RV park investing or self-storage, mobile home park investing, if they want to get access to my book, they can go to wellingscapital.com/resources.
Bronson Hill: Oh, man. Cool, man. Well, I appreciate it.
Thank you for sharing. Thanks for being your brother. Look forward to catching up again soon.
Paul Moore: Yeah.
Bronson Hill: So grateful for you, my friend.
Paul Moore: Yeah. Same to you, Bronson. Thank you so much.
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