Join Bronson Hill on the Mailbox Money Show for another insightful conversation with Jack Hoss on how AI is transforming real estate investing, business operations, and personal productivity. In this episode, Jack shares practical ways investors and operators can leverage AI tools today—from AI agents handling lead response and property management to streamlining deal analysis, tenant communications, and operations—while emphasizing the importance of staying ahead of rapid technological change.
Jack discusses building systems that amplify human strengths rather than replacing them, the massive efficiency gains available (including potential seven-figure savings on SaaS tools), current limitations and risks like token costs, security, and prompt injection, and why the winners in the coming years will be those actively using AI rather than fearing it.
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Full Transcript:
Bronson Hill: All right, welcome to the Mailbox Money Show. I’m your host, Bronson Hill. I am very excited today. To talk about a hot topic that everyone loves talking about today, which is AI in your life, in your business, or in your investing.
And it’s been said that, I’ve heard Tony Robbins say that he believes in the next five years, there’s going to be more change to human life the way that humans live. Because of AI and robotics than there has been in the prior thousands of years of human history. So, I don’t know if that’s true, but I think everybody would agree that, hey, things are changing. Times, they are a-changing.
And so, I’ve got an amazing guest here who’s doing a lot of this within his investing and his business, and really talking about it. I think it’s just so important around people that are on the cutting edge. And when you see technology changing, it’s important to just keep learning as much as you can.
There’s going to be people that are going to be left behind if you’re not paying attention and you’re not continually improving yourself. So, I’ve got today with me a friend, Jack Hoss, that was on his show recently called The Real Deal Chat Podcast. And he had conversations with active investors about real world strategies for sourcing deals and growing a real estate business.
So, I’ve been very impressed by him, wanted to bring him on the show as well. But Jack, really excited to have you today. How are you doing today, brother?
Jack Hoss: I really appreciate the time. Thanks for having me.
Bronson Hill: See, we have the same haircut there. So, they say he made only so many perfect heads, and he covered the rest with hair. So that’s how we feel good about ourselves. And you’re in the Dakotas.
You said you’re a little bit rural area, which is gray, and I love what we do now. It didn’t really exist 25 years ago, right? It would be very difficult to do what we do now and be able to reach so many people.
And so, why don’t you just talk a little bit about your journey and how you got into what you’re doing and how AI, just kind of give us the path or give us the 60-second version of how you got there?
Jack Hoss: Well, actually, it started with the corporate job, right? I worked for Microsoft for a number of years in various roles, and my buddy and I would spend our lunch hours planning our escape. And one thing leads to another through podcasts and books and what have you.
We were just constantly pressing each other to take some sort of action. He jumped first. He bought his first property as a rental, and then I was soon to follow.
And the next thing you know, we jumped in head first. And over the past, it’s probably, well, over nine years now. We have flipped and wholesaled hundreds of properties in even my local rural market, if you will. So if I can do things in my market, I think people can do this almost anywhere.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, love that. That’s great. Well, I think there’s always opportunity, and we just have to keep looking.
And this is where I think we’re in a time of dramatic change. And I think if you go back, you look at the cars, going from horses to cars, it was a big change in technology. Also, the Industrial Revolution took on very quickly, and it changed the way people lived.
I think a couple hundred years ago, a lot of people lived in, I think 80%, 90% of people lived in rural areas and very few in the cities. And it was something like 10% or higher. I mean, there’s a very high amount of people that just worked in farming, and just in general farming stuff.
And now it’s shifted to where very, very low percentages work in farming and food. So let’s talk a little bit about AI. Everybody wants to talk about AI.
You found some ways. It’s funny, I was on your show, and then you sent me this revamp of my website. I don’t know how long it took you, whatever.
But there’s these tools that can help to do all kinds of things now. I mean, I was just learning. I was at an event.
We had our wealth form event. At least the time of recording was the last week. And this guy was just sharing.
We were spending as an operator, a real estate operator, spending $1.5 million per year in SaaS products, meaning like software as a service. The yardie and co-star and investor portals and all these different things. And they said, we think we can get this down to about $250K. So that would be a saving over a million dollars, just simply by using this claw to code new development.
Can you talk a little bit about just how you’re seeing AI tools, not only create more efficiency, but a lot more value in your business?
Jack Hoss: Yeah, well, I do rely on it heavily in my business. And like you mentioned, I provide operations for other investors. And to leverage some of these tools like now, you’re kind of being silly, to be frank.
I mentioned before we hit record that even small businesses should probably consider bringing on somebody full-time. To not only stay in front of this ever-changing technology landscape, but to do exactly what your buddy is considering doing. There is no reason why we as operators, can’t replace much of the SaaS stack that you’re paying monthly subscriptions for eventually. I’m not going to be the one to tell you right now to jump head first and do it. But now is the time to start building towards it.
This is probably the biggest leveling of the playing field we’ve ever seen when it comes to technology. We are going to see multi-millionaires, single man multi-millionaire companies come out of this.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. Yeah. And let’s talk about that for a little bit, kind of drill down on that.
So there are all kinds of tools. Obviously, if I, and you mentioned, OK, to hire a full-time person. So would this person be, you know, as it’s what this person said that I was talking with, who’s doing this in their company as a real estate operator?
They said, you know, if we hired somebody who is a really high end AI consultant, it would be very, very expensive. But a lot of them, they don’t even know how to do this. This stuff is so new.
So he said, we’re just kind of like doing it ourselves in-house. So sometimes you don’t need somebody who’s a huge, huge expert. You need somebody who’s willing to learn it and kind of like maybe you kind of work with along the way just to try to get some of these outcomes.
How would how would you even hire for that role?
Jack Hoss: Well, there’s a lot of certifications and everything that are available right now. You know, I just passed one from Vanderbilt just this this past week for a genetic engineering. So you do have a lot of Coursera has a lot of these these courses.
So it is easier to spot check some of the people’s credentials associated with this. But I would actually ask them to show me what you’re doing. Like most people that are enthusiastic about this are like building things on the side as experiments.
If they mention things like Open Claw, Claude code, some of these buzzwords that you might have heard if they’re experimenting with some of these tools, they might be somebody to consider.
Bronson Hill: Yeah.
Jack Hoss: But for that matter, I’m not opposed to and I have in the past been on calls just to help vet some people out here and there just to make sure that they have some of the chops you’re looking for.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, it is interesting. You know, I think of the story of Bill Gates. I grew up in Seattle.
He’s from Seattle. And of course, he’s, you know, been in the news lately. But he had a time in his life where he had access to something that no one else had access to.
He had access to these computers back in the it was like the 60s when it was the University of Washington, one of the few computers you’d go in. And he found a way to get time between midnight and 5 a.m. So you go in there in the middle of being a teenager and you get just hours and hours and hours of practicing. And it’s like being able to practice, you know, with these tools and this stuff.
It’s like it can it’s amazing if you’re willing to put in the time, you can become a real expert in this. And even just I can teach you how to do it. If you’re like, I’m trying to figure out how to do this or I want to do this. What are some ways I could do this?
It’s kind of overwhelming all the different options that are there. But I guess one question I have is you mentioned Open Claw, which I’ve heard, you know, I just heard about Open Claw me about a month ago. And it’s the idea that you can set up Open Claw.
You can use a lot of tokens unless you structure it correctly. But basically, if you set up a computer and you give it a task, it will just like as a white collar worker, it will just work around the clock to solve and do an email and even purchase whatever you need. Have you had any experience with using this Open Claw?
Jack Hoss: I have. In fact, I recorded a video on why I think real estate investors should just pump the brakes on it just quite yet. Yeah, mostly because of what you’ve just mentioned.
There is a significant cost associated with it if you don’t know how to set it up properly. Right. The other thing is the security aspect of it.
Yeah, because a lot of people, they will either go out and buy a Mac Mini and install Open Claw on it and do a few things. But more times than not, because it’s extremely cheap, you can throw this up on a virtual private server and now you’ve got ports open. You’re giving this thing a lot of credentials and access to your systems.
There’s something called prompt injection that could be an issue. I can go down any number of rabbit holes regarding this. But unless you know or have somebody on your team that knows how to secure it and not let it go rampant on the token spending, it’s something to just take a pause.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, so, you know, obviously, this is like the fundamental question about AI, like, is this going to be like we’re going to have robots in our homes and this be utopia. We’re going to be, obviously, they thought when they created computers in the 70s, and this became more popular by the time 2000 came. In the year 2000, we’re all going to be sitting around and have only working 15 hours a week by choice and all that stuff. And of course, it leads to more work. But obviously, there’s the scenario where people think of like the Terminator, iRobot, these AIs turn against us.
I mean, where do you think all this is headed? I mean, I think like, obviously, we’re massive disruption, you know, and even Elon has said, hey, within five years, like it’s going to be universal high income, right? Like we’re just going to figure out a way to do all this stuff.
And like, I mean, just such big changes. But what do you think that’s going to happen? Do you think it’s even possible?
Like what is that a pipe dream?
Jack Hoss: No, I think some of this stuff is going to happen and happen really fast. Well, we’re already seeing it. You know, a new AI model is coming out on a six-month cadence right now.
Like that’s it’s insanely fast right now. I think if we have any kind of problems with this, these LLMs, it’s going to be the amount of RAM and energy consumption that they require. Right now, we have these large companies subsidizing our usage.
Our $20 a month subscription is nothing like it’s not covering most people’s usage. In fact, that’s what we’re going to see. The hammer going to fall first.
And we’re already seeing some companies chat GPT the most notable. They’re going to start running ads to try to subsidize some of these paid accounts because, frankly, their resources are costing way more.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, if you see to the energy questions, a very interesting one. You know, obviously, with this last week, we’ve watched with Iran, the war again, this will probably come out later. So it’ll may not become right away. But you know, over and over the weekend, basically, at the time of recording, the price of oil went over to over $100 a barrel from we were sitting about 60 for a long time and we’re oil and gas investors. We benefit from that.
But there’s there’s just, obviously issues of having consistent, clean energy that doesn’t you know. I think there’s a big case for nuclear energy now and they can do it in a much safer way than they used to. There’s obviously we ideally if we get solar and we could get a lot of these different strategies going.
But the challenge is the amount of cobalt, rare earth metals, and lithium. It would take hundreds of years to be able to mine all this stuff and identify it just there’s the infrastructure just is not there to move right away. And after 100 years of having wind and solar power, they produce 3% of the world’s power. So it is an issue, right?
And as we ever use more. So, have you thought about that with energy? What are some things that, as a society, we know that we should do or some moves we should make to produce more?
Jack Hoss: No, well, I’m just going to be one of those proponents that the government has to state and local as well as federal. They got to get out of the way and let entrepreneurs do some things and make some. One of the things that I’m going to say is that we’re just so scared out of our minds regarding nuclear energy, for example. And frankly, it’s probably one of the cleanest and safest forms of energy that we could tap into.
And because of the regulations around it, you know, we we just don’t do it. It’s that’s that’s probably the biggest thing.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, I think there’s been people talking about it for a long time that it actually there is the public is warming up to. We’re talking about like the 1980s. There was a couple meltdowns, of course, Chernobyl. There were some of the bigger stuff that was in neglect and different things. And then, of course, you do have some older stuff where they didn’t contain the waste very well.
And it got into, water or other things like that. But there are ways you can contain it. It’s just that they have to work with talk a little bit about the opportunities that you are seeing right now.
So, if you have this is your business, you have, real estate business, you help people grow their real estate business. And we talk about sourcing deals or sourcing investor capital or sourcing things. How do you see, like, how do you use AI or how do you recommend people use AI to kind of help innovate in those areas to make it better?
Because I don’t think that it’s that AI is going to take all your jobs or take your business. Like the company or the business using AI or the person using an empowered employee. Is going to take the empowered business is going to take a lot of that business.
Jack Hoss: Right. Well, some of the stuff that I’ve been using it for actually is really in the grand scheme of things I’d consider boring, but essential. Everybody’s heard the concept of speed to lead. For example most people don’t take into account the necessity associated with that. You got to be responding to somebody within five minutes, or you will drastically lose your opportunity, they’ll move on to the next person.
Bronson Hill: Yeah.
Jack Hoss: So, in that case, I’ve been implementing AI agents to do everything from answering phone calls, texting back, responding to tenants. So I’ve been doing everything from lead management to property management with an AI agent. And I think that’s where we’re still at where AI really excels is siloing tasks, providing clear, clean instruction to the AI as to what it needs to do. And, and if something breaks, now you have only a part of the operations to deal with, to tweak and to change versus an entire system.
I think a lot of people are doing something like the Open Claw, they want to set up one system that rules it all. Unfortunately, that’s where things can kind of go haywire.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, yeah, no, that’s good. I think that’s great to it is evolving. And it is, it’s interesting in my business, I kind of I asked chat GPT on my I have my own custom GPT.
So I put all my business stuff in there with my book. I wrote and my personal values and our blogs and all this stuff we’re working on with our Wealth Forum for our high net worth mastermind for individuals. And I just was like, how could I like what are the top ways I could grow my business with AI and it gave me all these different ideas. It was so interesting.
And I love when I use I say rate these results or responses for me based on a scale of one to 10. It’ll just kind of continually rate things, and you can kind of keep iterating to make them better. And one of the things that had shared was you can basically, you know, like we basically target high net worth investors.
So basically say when you add people to your list, it can go in, it can search by the email, it can tell you could do a membership couple hundred dollars a month, it will basically show kind of what this person’s occupation is, and what their likely net worth is. And based on like information you have, then you can integrate it with ChatGPT or with Jasper or something and it can basically write custom emails. So you could like have it automatically write emails that are like, hey, we created this for doctors worth over 10 million dollars or created a specific thing, whatever.
And it’s like, it creates these custom emails. Of course, there’s a part of that’s a little bit of a risk you lose, you can lose some of the authenticity. I actually just had a call with a guy earlier who has he’s got a startup that basically does individualized videos.
So like deep fake videos of you talking and I could say, hey, Jack, I was thinking about you got this thing coming up, whatever. And it’s just it’s a video and it’s me, but it’s not, but you can do it for thousands of people. And so which is really good.
But then also, like, it makes people really, I think you get the downside can make people really question what’s real, right? So if you’re a first mover, that’s good. But then after a while everything assumes everything’s fake.
And then if they get a personalized video, they’re like, well, this isn’t actually Jack, this isn’t actually Bronson. So I guess I there’s a lot of information there. But how do you maintain your authenticity while things are getting more automated and more, you know, does that make sense?
Like people can get turned off sometimes by thinking they can just assume that everything’s fake and it’s not a real person.
Jack Hoss: Well, that’s especially something that I’ve been on a soapbox about Bronson. Is the fact that I think people are making a significant mistake in how they leverage AI today and they automate everything and anything and they just kind of trust it to do what’s best. I kind of lay this out as that when you come to me, I help you build like your Iron Man suit, but I still need you as the human in the middle. We want to amplify your skills, amplify your abilities and amplify that personal connection.
So one of the first things I would do is Bronson, you’re probably sitting whether you realize it or not a untold gold mine on data. Not only from your book, but from your personal email accounts. And I can train an AI to sound like Bronson instead of AI by consuming some of that information so that it becomes more like you. And we can amplify your message and the way you deliver it because that’s what makes that information unique.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. Yeah. Somebody said, I know, I know that Tony Robbins has done this and there’s people who have done this where they create an AI of themselves where they take all of their blogs and videos and whatever.
And so somebody was like, Oh, you got to create a Bronson AI. And I’m like, I don’t know. I’m at that big of an influence already in a Bronson AI.
But I was like, no, it actually is that people can access it anytime. And of course, with investing, there’s some risk there. It’s like you don’t want to be advising people on, hey, what they should do with their investments.
Well, Bronson AI told me I should buy this one of the liability side of what they’re going to say. But you’re right. I mean, it’s from a data or analysis perspective, you know, getting data.
Actually, we have a company that we are working with that it basically is doing data collection in real time because a lot of now digitally, it’s harder to gather data. It’s getting harder to gather. You know, there’s a lot of privacy stuff, especially in Europe and other places harder.
So this group has pattern of life data that will find, you know, how many people drive by will ping information without telling who the person actually is. But it’ll tell how many people are there, how long they stay at a location where they’re going. So for busy areas, it just kind of captures pattern of life because AI is just so hungry for data, right?
The more you can take anything and put it in there, any sort of anything, it’ll just give you insights that you didn’t even think about. And it’s really incredible. What do you think as far as like, what are some of the low-hanging fruit for most people that they’re not thinking about when it comes to their investing, if they’re a passive investor, or if they have some rentals, or what are some things that they could be using AI for that they’re not using it for, Jack?
Jack Hoss: Well, you know, I already touched on a big one, the whole speed to lead, but the deal op, deal ops in the life process of a deal. It’s shocking how many people will let deals die on the vine. And it’s typically because we’re hustlers, we’re in a situation where we’re just kind of moving from one situation to the next, and then we kind of forget about those low-hanging fruit. If you have an AI set up, or some sort of process to make sure that they’re being hit on a consistent basis, we know gold is in the follow-up.
So you can have AI do something like that. The other thing is, when it comes to property management, you know, I use one today in which I not only trained it on the state and local laws, but also on my lease agreement in that state and a few other things, so that when a resident texts me or calls me. The AI can answer 80% of the questions without getting the property manager involved.
Bronson Hill: Yeah.
Jack Hoss: But I probably one of the biggest things is that real estate investors have a tendency of trying to make the deal work.
Bronson Hill: Yeah.
Jack Hoss: And we will try to figure out, we will change the numbers. If I do this, if I do that, you could train an AI do a custom GPT, if you will, on your buy box. And when you start using that as kind of a, as a thought police, if you will. Just to kind of keep you keep you on the reins and make sure that you stay profitable based on what you defined as profit.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, that’s interesting. Gosh, there’s so much there to talk about, right? I mean, it comes to like, what’s a good measure to people just be spending a certain amount of time per day doing this?
Should I be putting like an hour a day to prompting and just kind of like exploring new things, and kind of like the conversation part of the AI? Should I be hiring somebody? Like, what was the point where you actually do hire somebody in this?
I mean, just talk about, you know, obviously, I think somebody listening is like, well, what is the, what should I be doing? Right? If I’m a real estate investor, I’ve got a few rentals or maybe I’ve got a syndication thing I’m doing, but I don’t really have money to like, how can I recoup if I pay for this?
How would it recoup? And I just, how do you balance like, how much time you should be spending or investment you should be doing with this?
Jack Hoss: Yeah, I actually think that what you just suggested there is probably wise. You likely should be spending some time, whether it’s through ChatGPT or Claude. We might’ve said some things that scare people because we, you know, we mentioned Claude code and open Claude. Some of those do require a little skill at the, at a certain point.
But if you open a chat window and chat with these solutions as a brainstorming partner, that’s something that anybody can really do. One of, one of the things that I would strongly recommend everybody do is pay for an actual subscription, even if it’s $20 a month, you are going to see a better benefit and it’s, and there’s probably not a better return on investment right now.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, I do think it is. It’s a skill set that people don’t realize that if you don’t, you know, invest, you can get left behind. And I think it’s not a fear tactic, but I watched this on the internet.
I had people that, you know, it took a long time to actually get to where they were, you know, using email, internet, or they were. Or they were on an iPhone, or there were certain things like, oh, they had a flip phone. So I think that it’s just a great tool. And I had people who have been introduced to it who are just really even younger people who are not using it.
And I’m like, well, instead of using Google, just start using this, right? Just like it will open your eyes, you know, get the app on your phone, even the free version, and just learn to use it. It’s like, you know, somebody described to me this way, this was like a year and a half ago, which is even smarter now, but they said, you know, imagine you, you know, they first of all, they had you do an exercise where you write down what are the most important things in your life and you want to accomplish in your life.
What about your health, your family, your legacy, your business or whatever, just right on all the biggest challenges. And they said, well, okay, now what if you had somebody sitting right next to, it was a one in 10,000 person IQ. They were super smart.
And they could just help you ideate all of this stuff, right? It’s like, would you use it? It’s like, well, of course.
And it’s like, well, that’s what all these chats are. I mean, these days, basically, you can have that person right there with you. And it can be a little scary.
It can be a little scary. I’ve just like, if you want to stick your head in the sand and be like, oh, I’m a teacher, I’m a, you know, a CPA and I just know it’s going to happen forever. But this stuff is, it’s coming, it’s coming for a lot of people.
It’s coming for a lot of people’s jobs. It’s coming for a lot of things that it could be like accountants, you know, we just found a way to automate all that, right? And it’s just like, it can happen.
So you have to be willing to find new niches and reinvent and things. So what’s, what’s one kind of, as we wrap up, like what’s one piece of advice you have when it comes to, and you’ve shared a lot of great advice. But what’s one kind of thought that, you know, again, people should consider a resource or something people, maybe most people are not doing that they should really double down on.
Jack Hoss: Well, one thing I’m going to give a tip regarding AI and in a couple of regards, one of them is, is that leverage projects. If you’re in ChatGPT, for example, there’s a menu on the left side that’s for projects. And you can, if you’re working on something that, whether it’s your business, that could be a project or something within, it’s going to start to understand the context of that particular thing you’re working on.
Where I want people to be aware of is that we have what’s called a context window in AI. Thankfully, OpenAI just announced just last week that it’s a million-token context window. And I won’t get into the nerd aspect of what a million tokens means, but it’s a pretty significant window.
But if you’ve ever been in a ChatGPT conversation and it seems like really slow, like, and hard to load, that’s because that context window is chewing up a lot of tokens. It’s chewing up, it’s trying to understand the whole conversation. Up until recently, our conversation at 250,000 tokens, that’s actually smaller than people realize.
So what I’ve told people to start doing is that when you are done with a particular thread or a particular flow of thought, you tell that thread and give it a prompt like, Hey, I’m going to wrap this up, this topic up, please summarize what we just talked about in a document that I could hand to another employee. To ramp them up quickly so they understand what we just did here. And then it’s going to give you a summary, like a truncated version of what you just discussed.
Then I want you to save that as a document and then add it to your project files. So then now that becomes the persistent memory of any other conversation you have in that project.
Bronson Hill: Oh, that’s good. Yeah, that’s great. I love these are all, that’s great.
Yeah, absolutely. And then that’ll reduce your token use. You can basically have that later.
And so if you get to, if you get to 250,000 or a million tokens, does it just shut down or it slows down or what happens at that point?
Jack Hoss: Yeah, at that point, I’ve actually hit it. I’ve okay, I’ll leave it. The thread will say, I’m sorry, we can’t proceed here.
It’ll just like, you’re gonna have to continue this conversation in another thread. And then you essentially end up starting over.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, yeah, something I haven’t, I hit that with the non paid one, but I’ve been paid for a couple year or a year and a half now or something. But awesome. Well, Jack, I just want to say I really want to honor you with the way that you’re adding value, just even without asking to my life to other people.
And you’re really looking into how to grow. I think that you’re somebody who’s really innovating in this space. And I’m really grateful for you.
How can people reach out if they want to connect with you or hear about what you’re working on?
Jack Hoss: Well, everything is consolidated at realdealcrew.com. That includes if you want to see if where you’re at in your real estate investing journey and how you’re scaling and like I did develop an assessment. So if you go to assessment.realdealcrew.com, you can take that quick assessment, it’ll kind of break it down. And I don’t hold anything back there. So it is going to give you some kind of brutal truth associated with your real estate investing and where you’re at.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, I love it. I just went there on my phone here as well fractional deal operations for real estate investors to just working on all that’s really so good at creating that for people. So I just want to say I appreciate you, man, all the things that you’re creating for people.
I just want to encourage our audience. Obviously, AI is something that’s here. It’s coming.
It continues. It’s going to be part of the landscape, whether it means I think there can be, or people think things are going to happen immediately. It may take longer for adoption.
A lot of people may not adopt some of these things for a while, but some things that spring just rapid, rapid change to, I mean, in weeks of time, just dramatic change. And it’s also solving a lot of issues. We talk about just research for cancer or other types of things.
It can go into just massive amounts of data and pull out things that we haven’t even found. So I think there’s also things that they’ve been able to use AI for in those ways. So regardless of what you think about it, I think it’s it’s something that it’s so important that you invest in your education.
And as an investor, we use it, we put PPMs into ChatGPT, we put things in to help summarize, we try to, you know, what are the risks here? I didn’t consider. So, as an investor, something you can use quite a bit.
But if you also have some sort of operations, or you also have a thought leadership program or something that you’re doing, we use it all the time for ideation for putting together emails. Putting together, outlining videos, things like that. And I do think that the more things become automated and agents and different things, having some sort of personal touch is really valuable. So when you do reach out, and you do have those connections, people see, oh, this is somebody actually picking up the phone and calling me or something to kind of make that stuff really powerful as well.
So anyway, appreciate you taking the time to be with us today. Mailbox money audience, and also for Jack, thank you for being here. I look forward to seeing everybody on the next episode of the Mailbox Money Show.
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