Welcome to a new episode, today we’re joined by the dynamic Chaz Wolfe, a high-performing serial entrepreneur on a mission to spark a revolution among entrepreneurs, urging them to create and live The Exceptional Life.
Chaz’s entrepreneurial journey is nothing short of extraordinary — he’s crafted, acquired, and divested multiple 7-figure ventures spanning franchising, home services, real estate, and consulting. Renowned for his commitment to discipline and integrity, Chaz is more than a business mind; he’s a meticulous operations and process maximizer, earning accolades for his sales and business acumen.
Tune in as Chaz shares his insights on scaling businesses to nine figures, unraveling the intricate dance between people and process in achieving unparalleled growth. In this episode, he dives into the profound impact of overcoming limiting beliefs and how the trio of beliefs, behaviors, and results shape the roadmap to success.
Delve into the power of the subconscious and masterminds with Chaz as he explores the transformative influence of these elements on personal and professional growth. A seasoned leader, facilitator, and speaker, Chaz has been a catalyst for massive levels of growth for both domestic and international organizations.
Join us for an enriching conversation as Chaz unveils the secrets behind scaling businesses, the power of masterminds, and recounts his inspiring journey to success. Tune in now to gain insights from a true trailblazer!
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Full Transcript:
Bronson Hill: Hey, it’s Bronson.
Wanted to share about this episode. I think you’re going to love this. This is Chas Wolf, a friend of mine.
And it is so critical to look at what your mindset is and the limitations in your own mindset. I kept coming up against this brick wall when I would get to somewhere I’d self-sabotage or I’d get in the room with amazing people and I wasn’t able to kind of bust through the next level. But what I learned is mindset is huge, and getting around people that are really at the next level can really help me get to the next level as well because I see them do it.
And I think, man, I could do that. And it doesn’t matter if it’s in the area of your business. It could be your personal life.
Could be an investing. It could be anything. I’ve seen people that are not in business at all, and they’ve just found these limiting beliefs.
They’re really getting in the way. So you’re going to love this interview. Chaz Wolf, I’m going to give him his bio here in a minute—but just some amazing stuff.
You’re going to love to hear what he has to share about mindset and how to grow personally.
Awesome. I’m really excited for this interview of the Mailbox Money Show.
And it basically is about scaling a business to nine figures. So nine figures is a lot of zeros behind a one or a two or a five or whatever it is. And my guest today, Chaz Wolf, has done this, has helped people do this.
And he really is a business coach. He has a mastermind called Gathering the Kings. He has also a podcast called Gathering the Kings.
And he’s just been really successful at really gathering great people together. And there’s that quote by Jim Rohn. You’re the average of the five people you spend the most time with.
So if you want to grow, you’ve got to get in the room with people that are at the next level. And so I just have a lot of admiration for him on his podcast recently. I wanted to have him on my show.
So Chaz, how are you doing today? Welcome, man.
Chaz Wolfe: Bronson, man, I appreciate the opportunity. Some of those things were extremely kind and I hope to be a blessing to your audience.
Bronson Hill: You shared a kind of a curious detail. I shared I just got back from a trip to New Zealand recently, just a few days ago. I had a great time.
And you said you were there and were used to be a semi, not semi pro, but you were playing ball, you’re a basketball player. You kind of the James Harden look going on. So you regard shooting.
But that’s the thing, they’ve shifted. So why don’t you give people a little bit of your background, what you do, and talk about scaling businesses and nine figures. Let’s get started.
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, well, first off, everything that I feel like I’ve given you, you turned it into this amazing either you’ve said something like I need to have you talk about all this stuff because it morphs into more. it’s fantastic.
Bronson Hill: I’ll be your hype man, man. You give me more information. I’ll just find a way to hype you up.
Chaz Wolfe: So exactly, exactly. Yeah, playing some ball in Australia and New Zealand was fun. But that was a long, long time ago and definitely not semi pro, not even close, but appreciate the opportunity there.
Yeah. In all seriousness, I’m glad to be here because, yes, I’ve grown multiple businesses and we do have a group now. It’s not my only company, but it is one of my companies that I’m able to help facilitate a room of winners.
And so I’m excited to talk about that. But I think that the scaling process that you talk about in investing is the same in business. And so we’re probably talk about a lot of the same mindset and principles that work, whether it’s in real estate or investing or in business scaling.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, yeah, no, it is interesting. You know, if you have skilled a business or you just have a business or you want to have a business, I think it’s important to think about the growth of it. I heard somebody say that 95 percent of businesses in the U.S. Actually, I get it. I’ll get the number. I think maybe it’s 80 percent of businesses. There’s a certain percentage that only have just the entrepreneur and no one else.
There’s only the person operating the business. So people that want to have a business, they really just have a job. And so then there’s people that have developed very large businesses.
So I really, you know, we have four and four or five employees now. And it’s just learning about business and scaling business. And even if you’re a passive investor, how to scale your life, if you’re looking to kind of like grow your wealth without taking more of your time, you’re going to have to find people that you trust.
You’re going to build a team around you that you can scale because if you want to scale your life and your mindset, you have to do that. So talk to us a little bit about scaling and kind of what that process looks like. And where most people get it wrong.
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, well, that’s a really big question. So I would say, first off, that any sort of growth is going to happen inside of either a mess or some sort of a system. And so I think that you probably experience that in investing.
It can be a mess or it can be predictable. And somewhere in the middle there, you try to bounce back between these walls of predictability and a mess. And as entrepreneurs, we kind of teeter that line probably more than we should.
But the two things that come to my mind that we talk about quite a bit with our mastermind clients is in order to have back that time or to create a scaling business where you have a system and people, is just really those two things, process and people. And you kind of hinted at it for a second there, but it doesn’t matter if you’re a seven-figure business at one million dollars, which is still a huge opportunity. I mean, that’s less than 10 percent of all businesses do that.
And you’ve got a team of four to 15 that takes a certain process. Then there are processes that those folks follow inside of that. And so we talk a lot about hiring.
We talk that we have a tool that we use that helps kind of filter people that would get really intentional with, you know. And so I think that there’s kind of several nuances here to your really big question, but it’s people and process. And then we can break those things down in a lot of different ways.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. So in your group again, I’ve always been looking to look for best practices of high achievers because there’s things that you just hear somebody say something like, oh, man, that’s amazing. I got to try that.
And I’m working in my business or working in my personal life. And now my personal life, like I do cold plunging. I’m doing athletic training where I run Spartan races and run 20 miles and I do all this stuff and I try to eat really well.
And not just in my personal life, but I know in business as well, there’s a lot of things and processes that we’ve created. I know there’s things like traction, which is a progress, a book that talks about us, which is basically how you create processes. And so if someone is an engineer or a pilot, typically of checklists and things like this.
But what have you noticed from people that when it comes to processes that people have done that are very successful and have really scaled up?
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, well, first off, I’m going to second your attraction recommendation followed by rocket fuel for the entrepreneur. It describes the OS and that mindset. We use that in our companies and then several of our clients do.
It’s not a have to, but you got to follow something. And if you’re not following something, you’re still following an S. And so I would just suggest that maybe you create what you’re following as opposed to following what you’re creating.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, yeah.
Chaz Wolfe: So anyway, all that to say that what’s worked. Well, inside of like technical process, it’s like you said, it’s a checklist. It’s something that you can give to someone else and then they can do that either job or that initiative, whatever it is that you’re handing them, well without immediate or direct, day to day micromanagement.
Of course, still support, still coaching, still training. But the idea here is to be able to hand someone a task or a project and for them to be able to go complete it with what you’ve given them. And then that might be mixed with their personality, though, because I can hand certain things to a personality.
You know, we use the culture index, so I can hand something to a craftsman and their response to what I’m handing to them if it’s half baked is going to be completely different than if I hand, an architect, the profile architect, because that architect is going to take that half baked idea that I give to them as the visionary. And they’re going to be like, hey, I don’t even actually want the rest of your thoughts. I just want the outline.
I’m going to go create the system. That craftsman needs the system. The craftsman is who the architect hands it to.
And so if, you know these things, then I know that my number two is not going to be a craftsman. I’m not going to hand this half-baked idea as a visionary to a craftsman because they need a lot more detail and a lot more direction. They don’t have as much autonomy or need for autonomy.
But most likely, the person that I have handed it to my integrator using the EOS language is going to be this architect profile or something similar to that, where they can see the vision. They can receive the vision because they can still see it, but then they can go also implement. Does that make sense?
Bronson Hill: No, it makes perfect sense. And I’ve read the book Rocket Field to anybody who has a business or even I think even in like a marriage relationship or any sort of like business relationship, having a visionary and an integrator is awesome.
And to break that down, visionary, somebody who can see the vision has all these ideas and wants to create certain things. But integrator is actually the one who will actually do it. And so in our business, we have an amazing integrator who’s been really helpful just to kind of say, hey, let’s create this.
Let’s create the processes. And I just kind of tell her what I need and what we want. We work together on it.
It’s been awesome. Right. And so that’s a lot of great businesses have that visionary and integrator type relationship.
And then again, I think even to about relationship, it can be really valuable. Let’s say you have a couple and you’ve got, let’s say one is really great in, like a romantic relationship. One’s really great at vision and the other’s great at operating. It’s great to kind of divide and just figure out if you’re exactly the same, it’s not always going to work as well because you’re going to butt heads.
But if it’s like, oh, we do different things, we have different roles or it could be really helpful and that can be kind of fluid, I think, too. Let’s talk a little bit about mindset here, because I think this is something that is applicable really to anyone. But what are, maybe for you personally, can you share maybe an example of a limiting belief that you’ve had that you’ve been able to work through or something?
I know you’ve been really successful at scaling. And tell us a little bit to your bit. You have multiple businesses, what genre is the business or that you’ve done personally as well?
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, I appreciate that. So I’ll get the limiting belief here in a second to answer your second question there. I’ve got a portfolio of companies that are in retail, franchising.
I’ve got some real estate companies. We talked about that on the show briefly. Obviously, as I was asking you questions, short-term, long-term, multifamily, a little bit.
And we’ve got some home remodeling in our portfolio. And then, of course, just the stuff with the mastermind. I’ve got other investments that are super passive, totally minority in those.
But that’s all over the place from hospitality to medical to, again, short term rentals in different parts of the country. All that kind of fun stuff. Management, short-term rental management on that.
But anyway, all that to say that mindset, what is it? What is the limiting belief that I overcame? I would say probably earlier this year, I was working through kind of the tail end of what it as a learned extrovert, as I like to say, introverts like to stay kind of under the radar.
And I would much rather go do the thing. So actually, to take it back even further, in rocket fuel, it has you take a survey, right? So you’re either an integrator or a visionary or visionary integrator.
And he says in there, there’s less than 5% of people who score both. Remember that?
Bronson Hill: Oh, yeah, yeah, that’s right.
Chaz Wolfe: So I scored 98% as a visionary, 95% as an integrator. And so, the entire journey that I’ve had in business has been creating this massive vision and then I’m just pushing, which means that I’ve done a lot myself for too long, right? And I wasn’t able to hand it off like you have in your business.
Obviously, I do that now and I’ve created multiple teams. But that was the thing early on. And so part of that, though, was I could just go do and I could be behind the scenes and I could create the success.
I’m just a doer, just a straight do. I create the vision and then I’ll go do it and I’ll probably get it done fast. But there was a limiting belief, especially around being a believer that there’s this money and fame thing tied to like, oh, I don’t know. I don’t struggle with making money and the root of evil being money.
That’s not what the root of evil is. And I’ve worked through that. We’re good.
The limiting belief, though, was about the fame, was about the attention. And as being an introvert is like, I really don’t want it really. I really don’t want to be known.
But knowing the impact that I’ve already had on so many other people and that sounds a little bit arrogant already, but it’s like, no, no, these are God given things that I genuinely believe that he’s put in me. And they’ve overflowed out of me into others. And then they’re like, I mean, I had a client just here in Kansas City a couple of weeks ago, he brings a mottbock pen and is wanting to take me out.
I’m like, I’m trying to take you out. You’re here in my town. He’s like, dude, you’ve changed my life.
You’ve changed my relationship. You’ve changed the trajectory of my entire family. And when you have that, it’s no longer about, like, look what I can do for others.
It’s look what God can do through me. And now I started tapping on the OK, I need more people to know me. So I had to kind of come full front with fame and money.
Yeah. And what does that mean for me as a believer? And I had to work through going, OK, like, no, I actually do desire to be famous.
But the way I write it on my board is this. I need help from you, got to, quote unquote, make me famous. But I say like David with humility, because he says in the Bible, he says, I’ll make you famous, David, I’ll raise you up.
And that’s exactly what I hope, when I hope that’s the wrong word. That is what’s happening in my and it has been from the beginning. There’s always been a hand of favor, but I’ve always been diligent in the doing, it’s faith and the workings, the doing matched together that makes it work.
And we know this, from scripture.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, but no, it’s a good point, too. I think it’s really good for anybody who wants to make a difference in the world. And I’ve wrestled with that, too.
I think I wouldn’t say I was introverted, but I would say I was more shy or just, who am I to be kind of the imposter syndrome? Who am I to be somebody that’s successful or doing podcasts and raising millions of dollars or just putting yourself out there saying like, hey, I’m going to help people in this way. And it feels very vulnerable.
I mean, anytime your creator, Bernie Brown, talks about the creative process is very vulnerable. And when you’re doing this, you are a creative, you’re creating content, you’re creating things that most people don’t. It’s so easy.
And I think in our world, there are so many cheap seats where people just sit in the stands and they just start, flinging insults and whatever, and online is where people do. They consume everything. But when you’re actually, you know, it’s the Teddy Roosevelt quote, right?
It’s the man who’s actually in the arena who actually, if he does well, then he knows great victory. But if he’s defeated, then at least he’s defeated while daring greatly. And I want to be that kind of person.
So I really admire that you’ve done that. You’re doing that. And it’s amazing.
I don’t know if you felt the same way, Chas, but like one success kind of leads to another. So once you kind of do something, you’re like, oh, I did that. That went well, whatever.
And you can kind of pull from different things. And then you have all these, you can kind of gather confidence from all these different things you’ve done to really help grow. So when it comes to like, I guess let’s talk about that with entrepreneurs or just with successful people that you’ve seen. I’m sure limiting beliefs are a part of kind of what you help them to work with because they’ll say like, hey, well, I’ve got an employer, I’m a solo practitioner or I’m a dentist or like, but they’re trying to scale up, but just they can’t quite get up or they maybe they self sabotage and they get to a certain level.
What are some things that you found to be helpful to come up against limiting beliefs for some of these entrepreneurs?
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, well, so first off, you have to identify them. And even going back to the example that you just were giving after you take action to whatever degree, you build confidence, which then gets you some result and then it gets you more excited about doing more action. So it’s like this chicken and egg concept that a lot of people kind of go back and forth on is does it does it is it the belief or is it the action?
And actually, I just had a guy on my show just a couple of weeks ago talking about this and he and I came into alignment like, absolutely, I agree with you. We talked about it for extensively, but it’s like you can take action. And I did this in sales.
I’m 21 years old, making cold calls. And it’s like, just make calls and something that happens. And so some people believe that’s like, well, it’s action first.
Then by taking action, I then gain belief or confidence. It’s like, well, wait a second. No, actually, by me making picking up the phone repeatedly.
Yeah, I have a belief that something’s going to happen. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have made the calls, right? So it always starts with belief.
And so this framework that we went through on this on the show was beliefs, behavior, results and everybody wants the results. And that’s what we’re talking about. I want the passive income.
Bronson, give me that. Give me the mailbox money, right? Well, what behaviors give me the mailbox money?
Well, buying real estate, investing in alternative deals, like all the things you talk about here on your show, scaling businesses, all that can fit in here as far as ways to be able to grow wealth. OK, cool. But how do I grow wealth?
Well, I have to think a certain way about money that it comes to me freely. I have to be able to believe that there’s plenty out there for you. And for me, when you say that you’re raising millions, I don’t just sulk away and go, Bronson got it all.
Like there has to be beliefs around what it is that I actually think can happen, even if I don’t believe yet. There’s this beautiful thing that Napoleon Hill told us about and think of a rich called auto suggestion. I just simply say it to myself until I believe it.
And then I just keep doing it and saying it now that I do believe it. It’s like this mixture. Napoleon Hill calls the faith or the belief factor, the eternal elixir.
It’s the magic, the potion. Like I feed it to myself.
I’ll read my goals every single day until I believe. Then when I have the belief, then that’s like the actual juice that I go now with the action, the action in my belief. Now things start to happen.
And now I have a behavior that’s giving me results. Now I have confidence. Now I go back to the behaviors and I keep doing them over and over.
I’m saying no to the bad stuff. I’m saying yes to the good stuff. I keep making good decisions.
And like you said, it’s a compounding effect.
Bronson Hill: Yeah, you know, there’s so much what you said I love. And this is like this is absolutely changing my life. So I used to think, oh, affirmations, all this mumble.
It just felt kind of like mumbo jumbo. But when you do it, it actually changes your life. And going back to what you first said, I really believe life has an action bias, meaning if you just take start taking actions towards your goal, you will figure it out and you’ll get there.
Because what will happen is you’ll do it and you’ll make calls, you do whatever the thing is, or you’ll go if you’re an investor and you want to start doing passive income, you go to meetups. You go, OK, you kind of learn. OK, I think this deal didn’t work out.
I didn’t like this person or I really like this. I’m going to double down here. And so in the process of taking action, you’ll figure it out.
Right. So, if you just keep kind of like I like someone who is like an action person who doesn’t know a whole lot, but just takes action for somebody who has great ideas and great theory. The action person will always win as long as they take the actions and then they keep reflecting on what’s working and what’s not working.
So some people just keep taking action and they don’t change anything. Never change, but they’ve got to keep learning and growing. But what you said as well about goals, you know, I do.
I have goals each year. I’m actually it’s kind of the end of the year. So I’m getting ready to write some new goals for next year.
And I look at every single one of my goals this year. I’ve made either completed them or I made progress on them because I read them every morning. Then I also do the affirmations.
And I remember like this is a personal I went through a divorce seven years ago. And I remember I felt at a time where I had no confidence, no personal confidence. I just felt like no self-confidence.
And so I started writing affirmations around that. Like I’m a confident person. I love myself.
I don’t know, it sounds a little cheesy to say like a podcast, but it took a year or two. But like and I really started to like it became who I was. It came from inside.
And so it’s like a meditation. You’ve also said you’re a person of faith. And it’s like when you meditate on truth, it begins to change who you are.
And that’s how people change. I mean, can you respond to that? Or is anything else that you found people, you know, can grow 10 X and how they how they change their mindset to get there?
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, there’s two things. I want to say one quick thing about the affirmations. And really, someone might be confused on what we’re talking about here.
I’m going to go into a depth of just a hair in a second. But those little one word phrases or one sentence phrases that we can feed to ourselves, I do that with my kids, man. And we’ve done that since they were like two.
As soon as they could start talking, put them in front of the mirror. And, I am bold. I am strong.
God loves. I love people like just do declaring over themselves. And and I tell you what, like I can’t I have not had a guest here at my house that has not commented on not only just how well behaved, but how articulate and how communicative and how engaging my my 10 and seven and four year old are, even though my four year old is still a little dude and likes to run around and be a boy, but it remains the same.
OK, now back over on the other side, the thing that really 10 X’s or 100 X’s, everything is when you believe. And so let’s dive into this a little bit more. It’s not just reading it to yourself every single day that you’re a good person or that whatever.
Like that’s the beginning piece of it. But at some point, you have to be able to get it down in your soul. And what that looks like is you, your subconscious, starting to act on your behalf.
OK, so 95 percent of our actions are subconscious or unconscious, meaning that you are drifting through life unless you’re not. So you’re either drifting or you’re intentional. There is no in between.
And if you are intentional, what that means is that you are feeding to yourself consciously so that your subconscious eventually grabs a hold of it. The only way that it can grab a hold of it is as if you believe it. So I can read to myself every day that I’m confident.
But Bronson, there were days when you read that to yourself and you didn’t feel confident. Exactly. Right.
But you said it to yourself long enough to where you started to believe it. And I’ll just prove a fact here. If you’re listening to the show right now and you aren’t sure just by repeating something over and over and over, if you start to believe it, it’s called the news.
Do I need to say anything more? OK, so if something is a fact, if something is repeated over and over and over, fact or true or sorry, true or false, you will begin to believe it if you hear it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. This is a fact.
OK, Napoleon Hill talks about it and think of a rich chapter three. Now, what we can do with that is that this is a tool now. I can feed myself what I want, even if I don’t believe it until I believe it.
And then once I believe it, then that’s the juice. It’s like now my subconscious is getting it. And like you said, things just start to kind of happen.
Christians, we call it favor because guess what? I’m connected. I’m connected.
He starts working on my behalf. You know, it’s subconsciously, I start paying attention to little things. Right.
Like you’re talking about being on the show. I’m being on your show. Like that would have never happened if you didn’t create your show and I didn’t create my show.
And we can reverse engineer this thing all the way back to I don’t know where this thing is going to go or what value this has for you or me. But guess what? Our subconscious right now got us here.
Something greater is going to happen. At least that’s my belief.
Bronson Hill: Right. That’s great. No, you’re 100 percent right.
It’s you know, there’s a really good if anybody’s read, there’s a number of books, but there’s one the gap in the game. There’s 10 X is easier than 2 X. And it just gets in this idea.
You know, Benjamin Hardy talks about the state of your future self now, like the future self five or 10 years from now, we’ll have a different set of beliefs in a way it’s a different person than we are right now. And some people, it doesn’t change much. You know, it kind of just goes where it goes.
But you can choose, where do I want to be in five years? And one speaker I love talks about if you look at, where your life is going to be in five years, pay attention to what you’re speaking right now, because if you’re speaking things that are like amazing, awesome beliefs and positivity and growth, and I’m going to do this and this is going to happen and whatever. And some of the stuff is like some of my goals are.
They’re so big and ridiculous that like, I mean, before I could almost read them as for the straight face, like how much money and how am I going to do whatever? They’re like, as you do it, it does start to reprogram your mind. I agree, too.
There’s people that actually run it like a men’s group on Tuesday nights through church. And, a lot of guys we know like there’s things of faith and we don’t really talk as much about faith on this show. But there’s things of faith that people, you know, I know God loves me.
I know that I’m forgiven. I know these things, but I don’t feel it in my heart. And that’s what you’re talking about.
And the only way to get in your heart is you have to meditate on or you’ve got to like, that’s right. I know God, you know, you just get a daily ongoing, regular, regular basis. And so I love that.
I think it’s really, really applicable. Talk to let’s talk for a minute. I want to talk about a couple more things.
I know you have a mastermind that you do. I’m a part of a few masterminds. Talk to us about the power of a mastermind.
Why should people consider joining a mastermind? Yeah.
Chaz Wolfe: The principle itself is the only way to gain power. I’m going to say that again. The principle of mastermind is the only way to gain power.
It is, there is no other way. And so here’s what I mean. The definition of a mastermind is the collaboration of two or more minds that are in definiteness of purpose.
They’re working towards the same thing and they’re working in harmony. Okay. You know, the team inside of your business, the mastermind that you’re a part of as other entrepreneurs, the church that you go to, your family, you, your wife and your children, all of these are masterminds, okay?
They will either produce agitation of thought, which then produces additional power or it won’t. It will be in not harmony and a lack of unity and it will be destructive. And so it’s either one or the other.
The only way to really gain success is through power. And it doesn’t mean success just financially, but to have influence and impact, which is really what Kings like you and I talk about, what’s the ripple effect? I need power.
And it doesn’t mean that I need power to be able to lord over people. I need power to be able to influence, okay? And power is established by one principle and one principle only.
And that is through the mastermind, which is again, the collaboration of two or more minds working together in harmony or unity towards a definite purpose. So you can look at Andrew Carnegie, you can look at Henry Ford, you can look at Bronson Hill. All of their success has come from the collaboration of two or more minds working together in unity towards a definite purpose.
Or their lack of success or power has come from not working in unity or harmony. You understand what I’m saying?
Bronson Hill: Yeah, 100%.
Chaz Wolfe: So why should they join? Well, it’s the only way to gain power. And there’s all kinds of masterminds.
There’s masterminds for real estates. There’s masterminds for individual industry specific. Our mastermind is not industry specific.
It’s more, how do I, like we talk about living the exceptional life. Not just about winning in business and money. It’s about marriage and family.
About health and finance or health and fitness. It’s about faith. All these elements in business or in life, I’m sorry.
I wanna win. That’s how I live the exceptional life is I wanna win in all of them. And I actually believe that I can.
And I wanna be around other people that bring that energy to the room. Cause even if I don’t learn anything, just stepping into that room, bro, it’s different.
Bronson Hill: Yeah. Well, it’s amazing too. Like most people that are in masterminds, I mean, the concept of it is yes, we put our minds together, we get more from it.
But also there’s usually a cost and there’s usually a high cost to be a part of a mastermind. But what happens is you get people that are very serious. They’re like, what do I need to do to like change my life and grow and you get around that.
And it just, it can just absolutely change everything. So I think, even there’s that quote by Jim Rohn, you’re the average of the five people you spend the most time with. And if you’re like most people generally and probably like your family or my family or friends we grew up with, whatever, there’s a lot of negativity and there’s a lot of people that are not positive.
And there’s a lot of challenges with it. So I think when you get yourself in the room, it does really change. And I have seen that you even think too for people that are not a business people or don’t have a business or retire, just being at a place of growth is so good for our health.
It’s so good for our mind and it’s so good. And it’s good for our kids because they see us growing. So we’re either growing or we’re dying.
And so I think if you’re not growing your mind, you’re not growing your network, you’re not developing your body, those areas are kind of decaying. I wanna be somebody who continually like I get better every year, right? And I know that’s kind of your heart as well.
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, one quick thing I wanna add there is just as an entrepreneur, investor, real estate investor, like all of these things that make us so different than everybody else that just kind of like start separating us and separating us and separating us, if you don’t take proactive action towards finding other people like you have and you’re part of a couple of groups, if you don’t take those actions, then inevitably you’ll just start making decisions by yourself, you already make decisions by yourself, but then it’s exaggerated because you’re making really high level, high performing decisions that affect a lot of people. And it’s like really exciting because this is like who you are and who you’re made to be.
But you do that long enough in the weight of the crown as we call it, just gets heavy. And there’s isolation, there’s emotional, like mental health, there’s depression, there’s even suicide. Like you look up the numbers on some of this, investor real estate or sorry, not real estate, but entrepreneur stats, like people are stressed.
Why is that? Well, because they’re by themselves and they’re having all this weight of what they’re carrying, they got their family, their legacy, they got investors that they’ve taken money from, like all this stuff. And it’s like, well, I got to perform, there’s a lot of pressure.
You need other people around you that can help you carry the weight of that crown.
Bronson Hill: Absolutely, man, that’s a really good point. We’re kind of getting toward the end here. I just wanted to ask you, what’s one piece of advice, and you shared some great nuggets here, but if someone is looking to grow or scale a business or even just grow themselves, besides what you already shared, is there anything else that you’d recommend or it could be a book or something that just, this has been something that’s been powerful and has changed my life.
Any other advice you’d have for people?
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, I would just say apply the word humility to everything. And that sounds kind of like a cheesy piece of advice. So maybe I’ll give a little bit of context to that.
But I just think that if you have a perspective of desire and growth, like I’m not done yet, we use the phrase inside gathering the kings, grateful, but not done. I’m grateful for where I’m at, then I can look back in a healthy perspective and reflect and be grateful. And for my family and the achievements that I have and the people that have impacted and all that’s good, like I can find joy in what has already happened.
But if I have a growth mindset, then I’m always gonna look for the next deal. I’m always still up the mountain headed, right? This is a beautiful site, this is a beautiful view.
I’m glad we are where we are, but the top is that way. And so if you don’t reflect backwards and you’re not grateful, you don’t have humility, then you’re always looking forward. You’re never appreciative.
You never can enjoy the moment. You’re never present. Your wife has no idea where you are, even though you might be sitting right in front of her, type of thing.
And so it’s gotta be both. It’s gotta be grateful and not done. And which in my opinion is just humility.
Yeah, absolutely.
Bronson Hill: Well, man, I just wanna really appreciate you. You are just from where the place you’re coming from, what I’ve known about you, man. You’re just a guy of character that really loves people, really wants to make a difference in the world.
And I just encourage everyone to reach out to you and connect with your podcast, the Gathering the Kings podcast, as well as your mastermind. How can people get in touch with you and follow what you’re doing, Chaz?
Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, I appreciate that.You can find us on Facebook, YouTube. Of course, Gathering the Kings has a podcast. And I just try to keep up with you, but they can also go to gatheringthekings.com, find out more about what we’re doing with the group. We’ve got folks in all different types of industries. We’re just trying to win in all areas and live the exceptional life.
Bronson Hill: That’s awesome, man. Cool, brother. Well, thanks so much again.
We’ll have to have you back again in the future. And I hope that you’re in Kansas City. I’d love to get out and see you and kind of see what you’re doing there as well.
But appreciate you. Thanks for coming on the show today. Appreciate you having me.
Chaz Wolfe: It was an honor. Thank you.
Bronson Hill: Thanks, man.
Well, I love that interview with Chaz Wolfe. He is quite a guy. You can tell he’s coming from a great spot.
I just want to encourage you, if you have limiting beliefs, if you journal, if you write things down, if you share with friends, you do therapy, whatever you do, go to personal development stuff. It’s all good because it helps you to grow, it helps you to reflect. And again, if you just simply take action to your goal, and then as you take action, you periodically reflect, is this really working?
Is this really what I want? Well, maybe I need a shift here. Maybe I need to do this.
Maybe I need to be open to this opportunity. Then things can work well. And it works in your investing as well.
You can reflect on which of your investments have worked out well or what has worked out well. Why? What did you learn from that?
What didn’t work out? And learn from all of those things because that will really help you to grow. And the second thing is really just being in the room with amazing people.
You can pay to be in the room through a mastermind, can create your own mastermind. Can have a group of people that are friends.
You get together a certain night, just with a friend actually in New Zealand recently. And he’s got, every Friday night, he gets together a bunch of guys and they just talk about real estate and they have a drink. And like, that’s just like, it’s like a mastermind.
They get together and they talk and they catch up, right? It’s amazing. So I think all those things are good.
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